Atheists against passive atheists
I just left a group I joined a few weeks ago as I have contributed not a sausage. I dont actually know why I joined as I am not against liberals or some liberal policy's
My leaning are socialist in nature barr a few right wing views which you could count on one hand.
My main gripes are with religon, passive atheists, agnostic sit on the fence lovlies and Glasgow celtic fans.
thats that then
i was listening the radiohead song creep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk
My leaning are socialist in nature barr a few right wing views which you could count on one hand.
My main gripes are with religon, passive atheists, agnostic sit on the fence lovlies and Glasgow celtic fans.
thats that then
i was listening the radiohead song creep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk
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Permalink Reply by a7 on -
did my links work for you, i seem to be a havving a probloemk viewing them.
take care paddy.hehe
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Permalink Reply by Fox Mulder on -
When you say 'passive atheist' what exactly do you mean? Do you mean one that doesnt constantly speak out against religion?
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Permalink Reply by a7 on
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well I will be perfectly honest here, I cant remember what I was actually thinking when i wrote that but I would take a guess that you are right.
to change the world we need to move the atheist movement forward.
Be loud and proud, get right in their faces, we have them on the run.
tora tora tora
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Permalink Reply by Kirk Holden on -
your passive atheists link is fubar, pls correct as I am on the edge of my seat...
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Permalink Reply by a7 on
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sorry about that, i was very unwell, i cant rememeber what picture I linked for that.
fubar, great word. i will use this soon.
take care
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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on -
What about the innumerable agnostics that aren't sitting on the fence? Are they cool?
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Permalink Reply by a7 on
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Agnostics that dont sit on the fence ? thats news to me.
keep it loud and proud man
take care
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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on
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Sure. Many agnostics are staunch atheists. Really, I'd say that atheism and agnosticism are the best compliment, though that's not to say I haven't known a few interesting agnostics with deep theistic beliefs as well.
Regardless of theistic belief (or lack thereof), I wonder how anyone that extols the virtues of scientific reasoning could be anything other than agnostic or ignostic. That said, I'm not sure how anyone that concerns themselves with science in any depth could maintain their theism, in any conventional sense of the word, with any intellectual honesty.
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Permalink Reply by Reggie on -
In the strictest sense of the words, most atheists are agnostics. It seems redundant to use both, to me. In a more popular sense, people I know use agnosticism to describe their belief that something could be out there, some force or cosmic spirit, they just don't know for sure what it is. I know that it is a perversion of the true meaning, but to avoid long explanations and confusion over connotational shortcomings, I prefer to simply use atheism as the correct term for my position. I think this is where A7 is coming from, as well.
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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on
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How is it redundant? The terms describe two separate ideas. If you water them down, don't you just lose the ability to be concise? If they are truly redundant, then doesn't gnostic atheist become a contradiction in terms?
I suppose my real problem with it is that the repurposing of agnostic doesn't provide anything useful. There are numerous other words that could be used in place without confusion. If one wants the meaning of 'undecided', isn't it more clear just to say 'undecided' in place of 'agnostic'?
Philosophical concepts are often already difficult to articulate with clarity. I don't see how obscuring word meaning makes this any easier.
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Permalink Reply by Shine on -
I suppose my real problem with it is that the repurposing of agnostic doesn't provide anything useful. There are numerous other words that could be used in place without confusion. If one wants the meaning of 'undecided', isn't it more clear just to say 'undecided' in place of 'agnostic'?
I completely agree with you, but most people seem to think that "agnostic" makes them sound cooler than "undecided." Or perhaps these people are frightened by the misconception of "atheism" as a staunch declaration that there is definitively no god. It all stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between knowledge and belief.
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