I think it's a good idea. Maybe they will loosen up a bit.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/25/atheists-plan-conservative...

Do you think the conservatives will be tolerant or will they attack?

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all I can say from experience, if you're friendly, most people will react accordingly, unless they are just unfriendly by nature. 

The key here is simply to accept each others beliefs or the lack thereof, agree to disagree on some points, focus on similarities than differences. 

I've noticed that many atheists who have de-converted from some religion feel the urge to de-convert others, which is, from an outside perspective, pretty much the same thing religious would do, only the other way round. At the end of the day, it's only the people themselves what they make of their lives, intervention is only needed when others get harmed (like children in danger of dying from "faith-healing" and other crazy stuff). Politics can still be something people can agree or disagree regardless their (non)religiousity.

Do you think the conservatives will be tolerant or will they attack?

The attacks have started already. For instance, the fundies at the Family Research Council have declared that atheists are less interested in freedom than in using "nonsense" to undermine the "understanding" that freedom is a gift from Jesus.

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"Meghan Snyder, spokeswoman for the Conservative Political Action Committee, said American Atheists were included in the confab because “conservatives have always stood for freedom of religion and freedom of expression. [...] The folks we have been working with stand for many of the same liberty-oriented policies and principles we stand for."

Tony Perkins, president of the Christian conservative think-tank Family Research Council, doesn't see it that way. In an email to CNN, a rankled Perkins wrote that the atheist group does "not seek to add their voice to the chorus of freedom."

Tony Perkins, president of the Christian conservative think-tank Family Research Council, doesn't see it that way. In an email to CNN, a rankled Perkins wrote that the atheist group does "not seek to add their voice to the chorus of freedom."

"CPAC's mission is to be an umbrella for conservative organizations that advance liberty, traditional values and our national defense," said Perkins, who spoke at CPAC in 2012. "Does the American Conservative Union really think the liberties and values they seek to preserve can be maintained when they partner with individuals and organizations that are undermining the understanding that our liberties come from God? Thomas Jefferson warned against such nonsense."

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I'm delighted. The more infighting and division among conservatives, the weaker they become as a political force.

Best of all, no chicanery is required on the part of the American Atheists. Their intentions are clear ("Conservative isn’t a synonym for religious") and irreligious conservatives who 'come out' due to their efforts will probably be the genuine article. It's doubtful they would fake it for cynical reasons given the negative connotations it has for conservatives.

"CPAC's mission is to be an umbrella for conservative organizations that advance liberty, traditional values and our national defense," said Perkins, who spokes at CPAC in 2012. "Does the American Conservative Union really think the liberties and values they seek to preserve can be maintained when they partner with individuals and organizations that are undermining the understanding that our liberties come from God? Thomas Jefferson warned against such nonsense."

Except that he didn't.  At least he didn't warn that rights coming from Jebus was nonsense; Jefferson was a deist, his choice of words in referring to god indicate this clearly to those who recognize the signs.

Update:  CPAC has withdrawn its invitation to AA.

Do you think the conservatives will be tolerant or will they attack?

And there it is...

Update:  CPAC has withdrawn its invitation to AA.

...not just an attack, but a muzzle and ejection. The word straight from CPAC: Christianity is an important element of conservatism. It's inappropriate to suggest otherwise. People should not be attacked for what they believe. Now shut up and get out, you lying atheists. (It seems the irony escapes them.)

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Meghan Snyder, a spokeswoman for CPAC, said in a statement to CNN that “American Atheists misrepresented itself about their willingness to engage in positive dialogue and work together to promote limited government.”
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In an interview with CNN on Monday night, Silverman [of AA] said his group planned to use the booth to bring conservative atheists “out of the closest” and said he was not worried about making the Christian right angry because “the Christian right should be threatened by us.”
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Snyder said CPAC spoke to Silverman about his divisive and inappropriate language. “He pledged that he will attack the very idea that Christianity is an important element of conservatism.  People of any faith tradition should not be attacked for their beliefs, especially at our conference.  He has left us with no choice but to return his money,” she said.
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So let's see. How many Americans have conservatives alienated?

Women? Check.
Blacks? Check.
Hispanics? Check.
Other racial minorities? Check.
The poor? Check.
LGBT people? Check.
And now...
The irreligious? Check.
Non-Christians? Check.

Well, at least they're united on that. Being divisive would be stupid.

To be sure CPAC was founded by the Xian right so this last is to be expected of them.  The astonishing thing (to me) is that they extended the invitation in the first place, not that they later withdrew it.

Well, that end was both swift and inevitable.

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