I for one don’t get this people, why is it that atheist are so close minded that they lack imagination to see some topics as possibilitys examples….

1.)    Ghost

2.)    Reincarnation (non spiritual)        

3.)    Conspiracies

4.)    Esp and related (telekinesis, spontaneous combustion, etc…)

5.)     Ufo’s , Aliens, extraterrestrial life

And all of the above are no relation to gods or then in liken to….

Ok just in case you have forgotten the definition of atheism here…..

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[4][5] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[5][6]

Link  :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Nowhere does it say anything about being close minded with lack of inspiration in the scientific field.

Yes I know atheist are skeptics in nature as I am but I always say prove it either way for or against that it does or does not exist… I know that leaves the god question in there but no I CAN prove that wrong. :)

These topics need to be proven though scientific theory, but how? As far as I can see we are still babies in the flow of technology. People forget we did not have iPods and cell phones 30 years ago. We barely had computers and there already 100% faster that then and TV was only invented less than 100 years ago.

Humans have been around for 100,000 years and only in the last 200 have we just created this mega society that has communication (worth mentioning). So why is everybody so narrow minded?

Go ahead tell me how some atheist started being unimaginative and almost hateful to human curiosity?

Let the great debate begin ……


EDIT:10/28/2011            Please read


Ok after a few days of running this discussion I have gotten some great replies and now I'm going to tell you why and what I did here....

It was a personal experiment to "poke the bear" and "test the waters" to see what other Atheist were like. I don't actually know any other Atheist personally. I am new to atheism, only being one for a little more than a year or so i was an agnostic before that. I really don't think atheist are closed minded (this post proved that to a degree) though i do think we rely on the main stream in science a little to much because alot of it is controlled, programed, objectified by people who want to control us. OK I know i just sounded like a nutter there, but really look again why does your little one want that new Elmo doll? And why was it a week before any news broke on the OWS ? Though they are rather quick to point out that a terrorist was killed today....

And on the subjects above I do believe we should keep and open mind and not use the easy fall back " no they don't exist" to the proper "undermanned" or "undecided" it gives us just a little more room to grow as humans by implying "we see your point but prove it and we know that's going to be hard to do". yes we are skeptics let us just not be the negative cynical ones (yea that's harder than it sounds).....

Oh and Thank you for putting up your responses it really did help me "see a little more"

yea i'm still answering what i can :)


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I can imagine all of the things in your list....I can also imagine a god. I reject them all for lack of evidence. This doesn't mean I can't write a compelling short story about a ghost who gets reincarnated by a conspiracy theorist with esp gifted to him by aliens. It just means I don't believe they exist.


Reality beats imagination in my book... Hope this answers your question? maybe I missed the point?

No i believe you got most of it.

But what of entertaining the possibilitys instead of just saying nope don't exist?

but it is out there just no one accepts it that's why every one considers it pseudoscience. just because you have not seen first hand ( gone to see a ghost or ufo ) does it mean it does not exist? take for example i hand you a photo of a building in Egypt are you likely to assume it is real or fake? then i hand you a photo of an UFO then what would you say? 

The young earth creationists believe they have evidence too.

If I had never seen any evidence of Egypt or Egyptian architecture then I would call it fake. I could not confirm it was real. If I needed to know if it was real or not without having enough time to verify then I would settle with probable.

If you handed me a photo of a UFO and asked if it was real I would hand you a photo of one from the movie independence day. Did the movie really happen? No. People can and will fabricate things.

The concept of extraterrestrial life, ghosts and such are fascinating, but if they existed, as our over the top movies in all their imagination show, we would have more to go by then sketchy photos of questionable value.

Thanks for replying!

Yup, view point understood and a good point. But is there not some physical unexplained debris that have been found? ( yes more speculation ) i believe there is but it's just not accepted because nobody understands it...

I do entertain the possibilities....in my imagination. Until there is some unexplained phenomena which doesn't fit into our current knowledge of how the universe works, I see no need to speculate on what COULD be real and prefer to focus on what is observably real. The points in your list are interesting to think about and even entertaining when put into various forms in the media, but that says nothing towards their reality. This is actually a rather difficult concept to convey to someone who is not of like mind.


Another way to think about it is this: It (ghosts, aliens, whatever) has no observable effect on the world I live in. So, even if it does exist, it makes no difference to me. Why complicate my view of reality with concepts which don't affect it?

and that was what i wanted to see :)  thanks

why ? because even though you haven't seen them you still give them a possibility and most don't.

Ah, I see.... I think you would find more atheists with similar views to my own but we tend to just say "nope, doesn't exist" because it is easier than explaining the way we truly feel.....as I said, it is a difficult concept to convey to someone who doesn't feel the same way.

no that's a good answer not difficult at all to understand and i see why but would it not be more accurate to say undecided ?

technically yes....undecided is the right response. However, it does not convey my position on a given topic to be good enough as an answer. For example, I am an agnostic atheist. The agnostic part says that I don't know if there is a god or not but the atheist part says I don't believe there is a god. Similarly for just about all possible phenomena (ghosts, leprachauns, solar orbiting teapots) I cannot say for certain that they don't exist but I do not believe they exist and until some evidence is presented which points to them, I effectively live my life as it they don't exist.

Cool, point made thanks for your response. Solar orbiting teapots?..ha ha I'll have to look that one up. :)

You'll find it under Russell's Teapot. It's a fairly well known concept among skeptics and atheists.


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