As a mother and Atheist ( for over 20 years) I've found the hardest aspect of being an Atheist and a parent - is finding community. Not just for myself - but for my children. Community and socialization are crucial in a child's development. I feel this in one of the most significant reasons there is less women in Atheism - because there is less family in Atheism. In meet-ups, they are predominately male - and usually at libraries.
Exactly - my kids get ostracized. But when I look for 'community' I know I won't find it in Atheism though either. I must be honest in that. Most women want/need that source of communication, of involvement - this is my opinion of why so many women are in church and so few willing to migrate to non belief , even if they are atheist- I've witnessed this; I've felt this. It's one 'thing; when it's just you - but when it becomes your kids, it's another subject. So if we ask why isn't there more women &women in children, you have to ask what does atheism offer for both in some very crucial areas and relationships in their life... vs church ? It isn't just theology. It's the bond ... to community. I keep seeing 'why are women not so much in the Atheist movement? "
I see women- rarely mothers. I'm tired of seeing the comments such as ' they don't grasp philosophy or science, don't care for politics... " It never crosses their minds women and children meed community. They need support , inclusion ... This might be the biggest reason women stay in church or don't come out.
Why do you think women need community & inclusion any more than men do?
OR, if you'd rather,
Why do you think men need less community & inclusion than women do?
The subject isn't men - since men are dominate in Atheism; They aren't lacking voice ... The discussion is women, children and family.
Sorry for typos, I have a tot on my lap.
That didn't answer the question.
Typos are fine - this IS the internet after all :)
Yes I did - you're going off topic , I refuse to. the topic is in relation to women ; community and church- as to why so many women are in churches, but not Atheism.
There is no lack of men in atheism - there is on Sunday at church or at church events. So much so, they've started trying to make events geared toward men. By saying women need inclusion and community- doesn't imply men don't. So you're reading into for the sake of arguing something that hasn't been claimed. You have yet to answer anything really - other than to bicker or attack.
First of all I think the question goes right to the heart of the issue. You make the claim that there are less women 'out' as atheists because women need community & inclusion. The implication is clear that you feel that women need this more than men.
So where is the evidence that community & inclusion are what is keeping women from coming 'out' as atheists besides your conjecture? Where is the evidence that women are in anyway being disadvantaged by there being no specific atheist events?
Secondly I have asked several questions that you have either dodged or disregarded. I have made points that you are yet to address.
I'm not simply asking these questions to 'bicker or attack' - I'm asking these questions because I disagree with your post and I'm trying to see if you have something to say which will change my mind.
That's what I'm missing , my kids are missing too ... But more importantly , I think church offers a social 'mall' for all types of interactions which has now become a main source. This is the reason I see many mothers reluctant to leave church... where do we find community and socialization on that scale ? Where can our children interact , safely and in array of events structured around family ? I've tried to create the parents meet up groups - to no positive result. I either get fear of exposure or 'we're not organizing!' or it's just all men. That's all I can find in local... So I give up and now have to find outside sources- I worry my kids will grow up thinking something must be wrong with mom & dads beliefs or lack thereof- they've never had others around us who share them. There's no outlet, no meet ups , no community center... no secular groups I've met who have children, local.
"I don't consider atheism to be unfriendly to kids..." You missed the point too - it's not that Atheism is unfriendly - it has yet to embrace the family and bring community - such as church. Which is what draws and keeps many in church - not so much the theism. It hasn't escaped my notice that the only woman who has commented is a mutual friend of mine - the rest have been men and have missed the intent of post...
Since no other women have replied and men have missed 9 if you read back on comments) the gist - I will close the subject. We can't even discuss community... let alone provide one.
I am not sure where you live but you can always check out Camp Quest. http://www.camp-quest.org/ It is a start.
We live in Florida... Mi'a is too young for the camp- I'm waiting for the day she can go ... Thank You !!!
I re-opened this due to requests - if nothing more to than to see the stark difference in male/female rationale or emotional understanding of a complex issue with parenting & Atheism.