Argument: Naturalistic Pantheism Has "Proof" of their "God"
I need some feedback on the assertion that Pantheists have proof of their god because their god is nature. This was brought up by someone on a forum after my response to a Creationist when I said that there is no proof for any gods (and alluded specifically to Abrahamic gods). The poster said that there is no proof for ANTHROPOMORPHIC gods - but then suggests that Pantheists have proof of their god because nature is god to them and nature exists.
Thoughts? Counter-arguments?
Tags: argument, evidence, existence, god, nature, pantheism, pantheists, proof
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Permalink Reply by Unseen on -
Nature is all that is not artifice. If there is a God, then Nature (capital letter intended) doesn't exist, for all is artifice.
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Permalink Reply by jared manley on -
I have to look up stuff sometimes. Artifice is something I had to look up. By the definition I got I'm still not clear on what you are saying. I can kind of draw a conclusion or I could ask you to replace the word or define what you said in example form. Help me out here.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on -
It's kinda self-explanatory, Jared - "artifice," "artificial?" Bogus.
But don't expect him to always make sense.
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Permalink Reply by jared manley on
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I see. The definition I read was a bit misleading. I sort of figured thats what it was meant. Thanks
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Permalink Reply by Unseen on
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Nature exists on its own. It just is. Artifice is made by someone. Just as "art" doesn't just happen; someone makes it. The terms are related. Artifice is the practice of making artficial things, man-made things as we normally think of it, though the religious person might say that God made the universe, in which case the universe is artificial in some sense of the word.
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Permalink Reply by Alan C on -
I think it comes down to:
"...but then suggests that Pantheists have proof of their god because nature is god to them and nature exists."
Sicilian lemon cheesecake is heaven to me, ergo heaven must exist. Works for me!
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Permalink Reply by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on -
Who of what created Nature?
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Permalink Reply by RobertPiano on -
Perhaps they are atheists and just don't realize it. Science studies their god, so science should be their "religion".
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Permalink Reply by david garcia on -
ok i have found the best response;
"if we are going to say god is nature ,why dont we just use the word nature"
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Permalink Reply by RobertPiano on
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yes...I believe in nature (if we leave out the mother.)
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