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Permalink Reply by Matt Thomas on March 10, 2013 at 11:28pm

What makes you think that "Aspies and Atheists often hang together"?

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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on March 10, 2013 at 11:53pm

I see it in other forums ...

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Permalink Reply by Jéanne on March 10, 2013 at 11:53pm

I am on the autism spectrum.

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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on March 11, 2013 at 12:18am

Hi Jeanne

Thanks for answering.

Autism Spectrum is in for some changes in the DSM V. Apparently Aspergers is being removed.

Do you see any problems associated with that?

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Permalink Reply by Jéanne on March 11, 2013 at 12:26am

Yeah, a lot of my friends are going to have their benefits (ssd, medicaid, etc) dropped because "oh, your disorder doesn't exist anymore have a nice day and go fuck yourself' cause the government are a bunch of greedy corrupt scumbags who'd rather see a person who can't necessarily fend for themselves  out on the streets than give up their $$$such and such amount paycheck for life. I'm alright because my family takes care of me, but I already don't have insurance. This country (usa) suck giant monkey dick. Buncha greedy bastards. *hic* Anyways, sure, diagnoses of ASD will go down, like the DSM board wants, but it just means more of us ND are going to fall through the cracks of society and either end up starving to death on the streets, or killing ourselves in desperation.

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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on March 11, 2013 at 12:53am

 

Shit - Thats just not right. I am really having a problem understanding this and I can completely understand your anger. Im angry with you and I feel helpless about it.

I need to go read some more about it ...

LOL @ giant monkey dick.

 

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Permalink Reply by Pope OoO (Out of Order) on March 16, 2013 at 11:11pm

I wouldn't be surprised if insurance companies will want to drop AS claims.

Meanwhile, I thought that AS was just going to be re-categorized as part of the autistic spectrum, which will remain in the DSM? In any case, it would be prudent for some people to get re-diagnosed, if insurance actually dropped them for a supposedly "obsolete" diagnosis.

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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on March 16, 2013 at 11:50pm

 

Professor Emeritus Allen Frances MD, the distinguished US psychiatrist was Chair of the DSM-IV and writes in Psychology Today of his concern about the quality of changes made in DSM-V to mental disorder diagnostic categories and criteria that have been recently released in the new edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (5th edition).

He lists ten worst changes urging readers not to adopt these diagnoses in their work:



6) The changes in the DSM 5 definition of Autism will result in lowered rates- 10% according to estimates by the DSM 5 work group, perhaps 50% according to outside research groups. This reduction can be seen as beneficial in the sense that the diagnosis of Autism will be more accurate and specific- but advocates understandably fear a disruption in needed school services. Here the DSM 5 problem is not so much a bad decision, but the misleading promises that it will have no impact on rates of disorder or of service delivery. School services should be tied more to educational need, less to a controversial psychiatric diagnosis created for clinical (not educational) purposes and whose rate is so sensitive to small changes in definition and assessment.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/dsm5-in-distress/201212/dsm-5-i...

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Permalink Reply by Pope OoO (Out of Order) on March 17, 2013 at 1:15am

That whole article is a good read because it highlights some of the controversies. Dr. Frances doesn't criticize the reclassification itself, but the consequences of it in an educational system that's not optimized for adapting to children's needs.

His other criticisms lead me to believe that there will be some backlash in the field. He says that field testing of the manual was planned, then skipped for financial reasons. It sounds more like a problem of managerial incompetence than of evil motives.

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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on March 17, 2013 at 1:43am

 

The DSM is another bible thats hard to get my head around ...

The new Binge Eating Disorder is an interesting addition ...

 

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Permalink Reply by Jorita on March 17, 2013 at 2:53pm

Unfortunately the impact this will have on peoples lives will be vast. They have so much to deal with on a daily basis and to now ad to that losing benefits or medical aid help can be devastating. Schooll and education around this will be a problem by the sounds of it. I know how difficult it is for us dealing with mental health issues in South Africa. And I have had moments where I felt that if my son was physicaly disabled " hearing, sight ect" he would be accomodated far better than having a mental health issue that is not visable to the human eye. 

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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on March 17, 2013 at 3:40pm

re: invisible illness

and the thing that impacts a mental or psychological illness even more is that, those who have one, constantly have to explain it, Which just impacts the illness even more.

Imagine what it would be like having to try to explain to someone over and over again that your leg really is broken and that you need help.

I love the South African accent Jorita.

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