Are modern atheists suffocating atheism with liberalism?

For starters, I’m an agnostic (pretty close to atheist), I don’t really have any thoughts on whether a God exists or not. I do however, have some thoughts on how this…”battle” between Atheism and Religion seems to be shaping out. I have many friends who are both atheist and religious, but almost all of them believe what they believe because they have researched their beliefs (to one degree or another) and have a decently solid basis for it. Now, it’s a well-known fact that most people are religious because their parents were, and they grew up with religion. With atheists, it’s quite a different story. Let me get to the point…


It saddens me to say this, but it seems like more and more atheists, especially internet atheists, are simply “converting” to atheism either because they hate religion (most notably Christianity) or are attracted by a lifestyle where the only rules of morality are the ones they themselves create. Whether they actually believe what they say they do, (or rather, disbelieve), is an issue that is put on the backburner. I feel that many of modern atheists simply accept disbelief of God on the basis of simple arguments, all too willingly, motivated mostly by their desire to be “free” of religion and its “restraints”. This growing propensity seems to be bolstered by the fact that many atheists (especially those on the internet (i.e. r/atheism) will openly support religions like Satanism, if only to piss of Christians. As I wandered from one atheist internet forum to another, I didn’t see any intellectual threads talking about something of value, such as “Why I choose to believe/disbelieve.” Instead, I saw scores and scores of threads discussing such topics as “The War on Christmas” and “The ignorance of Christians” and of course, the textbook “THINK OF THE HOMOSEXUALS” (Boo fucking hoo).


This trend has grown to such a degree that, to many people, atheism doesn’t mean “disbelief in God” or “disbelief in religion” anymore, as it should, but more markedly, “anti-religion”. People have literally come to equate atheism with liberalism, where the only form of morality is the Golden Rule and anything that is related to religion in anyway is evil. People have come to believe that being an atheist is simply giving yourself a license to do whatever you want (similar to the video below)

Nothing could be farther from the truth. As I said before, I am an agnostic with atheistic tendencies. However, I do not condone drinking, drugs, fornication, cursing, or (and I don’t care if this offends anyone) the practice of homosexuality. I condemn these things on a scientific basis. Jared Taylor, one of the foremost advocates of the far-right community, and a staunch atheist himself, holds the same set of moral (or as I call them, efficient) values.

I sincerely believe that this growing delusion that atheism = liberalism, that atheism = license, or that atheism = freedom (from more than just religion) flies in the face of the facts. Again, more and more people seem to be becoming atheists simply because they downright despise religion or are attracted by the idea of a life without any rules, where they can be “chill” and “nice” to everyone. This growing fad has left the atheist community with a shortage of real intellectuals who seek truth rather than license, and leaves us instead with the rabid, seething masses of ignorance, such as the kind that breeds at r/atheism. “I WANT TO DO WHAT I WANT WITH MY BODY, BREAK THE CHAINS OF STUPID RELIGION, FREE THE SEXUALLY AND THE PHYSICALLY REPRESSED, DOWN WITH THE OLIGARCHY” This is not atheism, this is barbarism and primitive, devolved man, seeking to gratify base desires and drag down society with him and using atheism/relativism as a shield to deflect all criticism and attack opponents with impunity.

That being said, I feel that atheism is being abused in modern society, our community has become starved for real intellectuals and filled to the brim with neck-bearded anti-religious whack jobs seeking to gain a vantage point so that they can unload their vengeance upon society for “holding them back”. And frankly, I’m tired of it.


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Having a chance to defend your ideas with several people challenging it rationally and a fantastic opportunity. You get to test your ideas, learn more about them and have more confidence in them. If you tried this on other forums you'd end up being insulted or even threatened.

Glad we could be your intellectual therapists. Is there anything better than getting your ideas off your chest then leaving...all to a group of people who completely disagree?

Ultimately...the only impression we have is that you are totally and utterly incapable of defending your ideas...nor admitting that you might be wrong...and then flee.

I could add, major grudge against SOMEBODY for holding him back - some harsh deluded wanker, almost certainly parent(s).  So idolises Jared Taylor and blames the easy targets in society, since it's always everyone else's fault.  Superior, uncharitable and unkind attitude towards humanity.  Only power comes from annoying people and causing trouble.  Would probably be in ISIS if a muslim.  Pretty dangerous and anti-social person to have around really.  Will almost certainly beat wife (or, eventually, boyfriend).  You're just at the start of your llife.  Is this how you want to proceed? 

Davis is right, the thing to do is to present your ideas reasonably and not mind when people disagree, but take it as an opportunity to grow and change.  I can see you're on a quest for truth, and that's a very good thing, and understandable if you've been starved of it all your life. 

I have been thinking that "the lull is over." Way too many notices in my email for me to adequately keep up with, but that's good.

I went and found the follow/not option, and stopped all the emails....for all the threads.

I find I check often enough I don't need it, and my box was so swamped I could go through it all anyway.


Some forums have the option to follow but not get notices, just a pulldown for subscribed threads....that would be more useful.  To me at least.


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