Our understanding of Jesus and the purpose of the Bible differs.Most of us Atheists see Christians as waiting for the impending. We've all been to church and heard "Be prepared, because you never know when he'll return." The Left Behind series of books is all about the Rapture and it was a mega seller. So a conversation got started on a video post that I think could be carried over to a discussion. The gist of the conversation;

I wonder how long society will keep waiting before people will go, "You know what? It looks like Jesus is a no show." Until the year 3000? The year 4000?- Mario

"So the idea of Christians "waiting" for his return like those waiting for the Hale-Bop comet is very much a straw-man/caricature, even though it was probably introduced by some stream of Christianity. I would say that if all they do is "sit and wait", then they are misunderstanding why they are waiting." - Daniel

My take-
The entire purpose of both the Old and New Testament is for the hope of a return of the Messiah or the Son of Man. Neither happened as prescribed. Here are some of the passages that support the consistency of that.
Daniel 7: 2-14 (Messiah return and rule) Daniel 7:17-27 (beasts destroyed by Jewish leader) 1 Enoch 69 (Judgement and Son of Man) 4 Ezra 13:1-11 (Multitude and Beast of Sea taken on by Messiah without raising a hand [Queue the He-Man theme]) Mark 10:29-31 (Turn away your family because you will soon face judgement) Matt 20:16, Luke 13:29-30 (you will wind a all expenses paid vacation to heaven) Mark 8:38, Mark 13:24-27, Luke 17:24, Matthew 24:27, 37-39, Luke:8-9, Matt 10:32-33, Luke 21:34-36, Matthew 13:24-30 & 36-42, Matthew 13:40-43, Matthew 13:47-50 - These are just 4 pages of Ehrman's Jesus Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium. 

I really see Christianity as a group of people spiritually standing around (of course they have continued living their physical lives) waiting for His return. This was the same for many of the predecessors in Palestine. Wait for the prophecies to fulfill and then live in peace and harmony with a Jewish King from the line of David or we are all off to Heaven. This is what the hope of the Bible is about. Just an FYI, John 5:28, "Don't not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out-those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned." I don't accept the Christian argument for reaching heaven before the rapture, and this passage doesn't hurt my imminent return argument either.  

Why is my view right or wrong, and what do you see? If you were (or are) a Christian before, did you feel as Daniel does now? What is this hope if not the coming return?

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Daniel's comments made me wonder if all of history is empirically testable. I may believe in the existence of George Washington, but what if I doubt some things written about him?

However I disagree with the assessment that everything boils down to belief. There's a difference between faith and trust, even if it's just semantics. One doesn't "believe" in accepted aspects of science. We arrive at conclusions based on studying the evidence. In fact, science should always be looking for its own falsehoods and correcting them. I "trust" that the acceleration of gravity is 9.8 meters per second squared for planet earth. I don't have "faith" that it'll always be there.

But back to the topic on hand, the whole of Christianity is set up around the mythology of waiting for the return of a person who may not even exist on the worst case scenario and who may be just a dead person on the best case scenario. It may not be the point of Christianity, but it's one of the cores of the religion.

When I was a Christian, I knew that Jesus would return to undo the imperfect systems of mankind from capitalism to the idea of currency to even democracy. I saw the increasing woes of the planet as proof that something was escalating. I didn't realize how flawed that way of thinking was.
This problem also highlights the ultimate egotism of monotheism, as evidenced by our very own David, who can't take a break from insisting upon the truthfulness of his badly written and vague prophecies from his instructional book of the fictional and abhorrent. It's inherently egotistical for a society to think only their prophecies will come true and not the other societies'. This perpetuates the "us verses them" mentality through a twisted world view of "This will all come true and you're going to get it." Prophecies don't win friends. They create enemies. The society in question sees themselves as being a part of something grand and important and they're the heroes. It's always about the individual.
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh also in islam they have this thing ... waiting for Jesus ... and the new news he will be muslim and lead muslims all around the world
religions make up such great stories even a kid couldn't make like them lol

thanks
Oooo! That raises a good question that I don't know the answer to. So Jesus is seen as a great teacher and most Muslims even add PBUH in deference. But they don't believe he was the Son of God. So are all Muslims waiting for Jesus? Is Jesus going to be their savior as well? Please correct me where I'm wrong but that just complicates matters. So this Jew says he's brought about a new law if he can just fulfill the prophecies the Son of Man will come and peace will be brought to all that follow him. 600 years later a guy in a cave starts a new religion that rejects Christianity, Hates the Jews, wars with the Christians but this Jewish teacher who started Christianity is coming to save them as a Muslim? Correct me where I'm misunderstanding this, please. I think that you need to write a blog or start a discussion about this. I'm duly charging you with the duty of laying out this non-sense so that I may learn it!

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