So when I was working today my openly gay boss came back while doing some back of the house work, and naturally we engaged in some conversation. I just found out he was gay the other day, and I just couldn't believe until he told me.  A matter of fact, he even called himself a "fagot" never ever thought I'd hear that.  I have theory onto where the word fagot came from.  Possibly humorous in nature or offensive, but that's a different story for a different day.

Anyways, I am a new born Agnostic I guess you could say, still kinda fence sitting betweem Atheism and Christianity, but I feel more drawn to Atheism every day...and Gary's case only solidifies it.  Gary was once married, had kids, and in fact married to this woman longer than he was openly gay.  He says always kinda knew he was, but just kinda ignored...but his mid life crisis rolled around and thats when he told her what was up.  I can't really imagine what it would be like to go through all that, on his wife, kids, and even Gary. It'd be difficult situation, especially considering they were married for 15 years.  

Anyways so me and Gary got into the topic about Gay marriage...and we both agree it's not so much the word married that grinds our gears, but rather the "rights" part of it.  Why shouldn't a partner be beside each other when one is about to pass?  Especially after 30 years of partnership, these kinda things came from Gary, and I heartfully agree with him.  Because marriage is a religious thing, and chances are even in East Tennessee, a homosexual person isn't going to be super religious (however with the slight growing acceptance of homosexuality among some denominations, that could change).  So therefore the word marriage is meaningless, it's simply the rights part of it.  He said he could care less about a tax deduction. Love is love.  Agreeable.

Anyways I'm getting off topic, so I told him I'm accepting of gay, lesbian people in my community, however I can't quite wrap my head around the bisexual thing...and he said that's good but disagreed about the bisexual thing and stated "Lot's of creatures are homosexual, take the mental part out of it...what are we Nathan?" I just looked at him, confused as if he was insinuating something "Animals!"
So true so I reply "Yeah but the difference between us and dog is the ability to reason..."
then this truly was an interesting " I guarantee you evolution wouldn't fail on this one, if I go out there grab...well your an employee, if i go out there and grab a male customer by the balls, he's going to get an erection...so were technically bisexual by nature" By the way this mainly came up because I asked him if he enjoyed sleeping with a woman...apparently he did, because as far as I'm concerned, pressure is pressure. be it being a woman's part, male's buttocks. or your own holy hand.

But the notion that we are all born bisexual kinda left a note on my mind. I'm in fact a heterosexual male, and gary stated while we may not like mentally, our body most likely would not be able resist such actions, and reactions...what do you guys think? and sorry I know this is a mouthful.

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LOL and I know some daters are lying cuz I've never once seen a stat saying the average experience number is the same for men and women: 6 mua ha ha aha ha ha ha

Maybe it's the way they worded that question.... X or fewer partners... hm, that would mean 1 included in 2 and fewer, included in 3 and fewer, included in 4 and fewer! ha ha ha
yes but the topic is not 'really' orientation but lack thereof ;)

When Kinsey proposed his scale, he thought of bisexuals meaning only 50-50, that would almost mean there are no bisexuals in society???

I take the complementary view (not opposing), that in truth 0% and 100% are non existent, just as a perfect 50-50 is non existent. That leaves everyone somewhere on a scale ranging from .01 to 99.99, or .oo1 to 99.999 or whatever decimal we'd like to take it to, up to the billions of us on earth. I just don't believe in zeros
Got the wording from here.
I don't disagree with any of this assessment, which is why I brought up my disagrement with the limited bisexual understanding of the Kinsey scale per se. Where I diverge with you and some others here is in the understanding of "Only the human mind invents categories and tries to force facts into separated pigeon-holes. The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects" which I apparently read more literally than you, and undertand to minimize to an infinitely small amount the actual extremities, the 0% and 100% to mere specs and placing EVERYONE, somewhere in between.

Placing EVERYONE somewhere in that spectrum, the sprectrum being varying doses of bisexuality, and practically no one in the 'absolute' 0% and 100%, is the very essence of why I state everyone is bisexual. I concur 100% that it is the human mind wich seeks to box people in the categories of hetero or homosexual.

Some people agree to disagree, I feel we both disagree to agree? :)
(Sorry for the delete and repost. Once again, I missed my edit window by a minute or two.)

(Cass said) While I agree with what you're saying, I think the natural level of posturing and physical aggressiveness for BOTH genders would be much higher in a more primitive culture. I also think the difference in levels between sexes would be much less. In any case, I just don't see how this relates to sexual orientation.

So I think we agree that culture plays a big role in shaping personal behavior. As an aside, some subcultures (e.g. gangs) would also display higher levels of posturing and aggressiveness. I'm not sure I agree that the difference between male and female behavior in primitive culture would be less. E.g. men would still dominate the hunting expeditions, at least.

How this relates to sexual orientation (IMO, but which I think you disagree with) is that gender biology plays a big role in our baseline behaviors, including sexual orientation, and with normal, phenotypic variation. I.e. even while (IMO) sexual orientation is largely biological, nature still allows for biological/neurological variations of behavior among us.

I'm not saying that culture and personal choice don't matter. I'm saying that biology/neurology still matters for humans, in the big picture. You cannot eliminate epigenetics from this picture (yet), either.
aha, that opens a new window... maybe we could say that Homo sapiens is bisexual as a species but not all persons consider themselves bisexual ... :)
I would be mostly ok with that. It's not a black & white thing, but a mix, so I wouldn't quibble so much over matters of degree.
I had a dream once that my best male friend had a vagina, and I briefly penetrated it. It wasn't pleasurable or unpleasurable. No feeling at all... just a strange dream. It was so unsexual that it didn't even make me wonder if I had any kind of feelings about it.

I told my friend about it just because it was a kind of "interesting", strange dream. He had experience with psychology, so I thought he'd just kind of analyze it with me and it'd be over.

Well, he's a kind of macho latino guy, and I think it freaked him out. Stupid me, not even considering that possibility. We never talked about it again, be he seemed kind of "distant" from me as a friend sometimes, so I wondered years later if it was because of my stupid dream. (Man am I "slow" to think things out, sometimes!)

Seriously, I feel uncomfortable just thinking about gay sex, but this strange dream didn't feel sexual in any way. I don't even like to watch two guys kiss. Women kissing, yay! (I have to SAY this here hoping to fend off anyone wanting to jump in and say I'm just lying to myself. That's ok... whatever you think is fine.)

So yeah Fred, honesty can be a funny thing.
Call me crazy but i have a strange aversion to any penis that is not my own.
Haha Jason, that's why I have difficulty watching hard core porn!
I have an aversion to aversions!
Call me crazy but i have a strange aversion to any penis that is not my own.

And the irony is that it is the only penis you can't get into your mouth. ;-)

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