So when I was working today my openly gay boss came back while doing some back of the house work, and naturally we engaged in some conversation. I just found out he was gay the other day, and I just couldn't believe until he told me.  A matter of fact, he even called himself a "fagot" never ever thought I'd hear that.  I have theory onto where the word fagot came from.  Possibly humorous in nature or offensive, but that's a different story for a different day.

Anyways, I am a new born Agnostic I guess you could say, still kinda fence sitting betweem Atheism and Christianity, but I feel more drawn to Atheism every day...and Gary's case only solidifies it.  Gary was once married, had kids, and in fact married to this woman longer than he was openly gay.  He says always kinda knew he was, but just kinda ignored...but his mid life crisis rolled around and thats when he told her what was up.  I can't really imagine what it would be like to go through all that, on his wife, kids, and even Gary. It'd be difficult situation, especially considering they were married for 15 years.  

Anyways so me and Gary got into the topic about Gay marriage...and we both agree it's not so much the word married that grinds our gears, but rather the "rights" part of it.  Why shouldn't a partner be beside each other when one is about to pass?  Especially after 30 years of partnership, these kinda things came from Gary, and I heartfully agree with him.  Because marriage is a religious thing, and chances are even in East Tennessee, a homosexual person isn't going to be super religious (however with the slight growing acceptance of homosexuality among some denominations, that could change).  So therefore the word marriage is meaningless, it's simply the rights part of it.  He said he could care less about a tax deduction. Love is love.  Agreeable.

Anyways I'm getting off topic, so I told him I'm accepting of gay, lesbian people in my community, however I can't quite wrap my head around the bisexual thing...and he said that's good but disagreed about the bisexual thing and stated "Lot's of creatures are homosexual, take the mental part out of it...what are we Nathan?" I just looked at him, confused as if he was insinuating something "Animals!"
So true so I reply "Yeah but the difference between us and dog is the ability to reason..."
then this truly was an interesting " I guarantee you evolution wouldn't fail on this one, if I go out there grab...well your an employee, if i go out there and grab a male customer by the balls, he's going to get an erection...so were technically bisexual by nature" By the way this mainly came up because I asked him if he enjoyed sleeping with a woman...apparently he did, because as far as I'm concerned, pressure is pressure. be it being a woman's part, male's buttocks. or your own holy hand.

But the notion that we are all born bisexual kinda left a note on my mind. I'm in fact a heterosexual male, and gary stated while we may not like mentally, our body most likely would not be able resist such actions, and reactions...what do you guys think? and sorry I know this is a mouthful.

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No, you show me a picture (guy who's making the claim!). ;)
Of course it's a bit of tongue in cheek George Carlin style humor James, this is actually what Carlin said "Why is it that the people who are pro life are people you wouldn't want to fuck anyway?"

I'm sure there are some people who are asexual for mental reasons which I find to be rather interesting. I actually never really considered the fact that someone would simply swear off sex. The girl in the picture isn't asexual as she's the bipolar plaything of the lead singer of smashing pumpkins. Unless she has recently become asexual and I would contend that isn't truly asexual if you've had sex before. Much like you cannot claim sobriety if you're on drugs.

To Cara, I probably have pictures on my profile but I also am far from asexual.
So that person is an asexual meaning she has no desire to have sex with anyone, although she has sex with her partner. That's a very interesting chain of events, and I would wager that implicates her partner as a rapist for having sex with a non consenting woman. If she is consenting, I find it impossible for her to pretend she has no desire to have sex.



Sorry, this site is fucking terrible at making discussions possible. Either that or this site hates firefox as a browser. This whole reply inside a reply system is broken and it's putting my replies where they do not belong and disallowing them from where they do.
LOL.. ok stickler... Let me rephrase just for you. I'll call them no-sexuals..not because they don't want to but because no one wants to have sex with them.

Those who want to have sex but can't find anyone to have it with.....They are in a much more difficult situation than those who have no sexual desire.


(I WAS trying to be funny AND point out a sad state of affairs for many..but you gave me a thought)



In those asexual people..who have no sex-drive. Their physiological sexual system still functions I imagine. Their testes still produce viable sperm, their ovaries still produce viable eggs. The delivery system still functions...or does it?

The same thing goes for homosexuals... Their bodies in most cases still produce viable gender based sexual reproduction mechanisms. (males produce sperm, females produce eggs)

So while the personality, physical desire and orientation go one direction...the reproductive biological mechanisms go another.

Providing you can get them together... a Homosexual sperm will fertilize a homosexual egg or a heterosexual egg or even an asexual persons egg..and vice versa in any combination.

The reproductive mechanisms don't really have an opinion on what orientation you are. They still perform their part of the sexual function without a hitch..(provided you can get them together)

Physiologically the reproductive systems are all pretty much hetero....sperm verses egg.

Physical attraction, sexual attraction, mental and emotional attraction...can be all over the place but biologically sperm and egg still have the ability to do what they evolved to do.

Isn't this a type of bisexuality... perhaps not as was posed in the original post..but technically?

Just a thought.
Properly liquored up I might :P
I don't know that I could psychologically enjoy a man. Is that conditioning or a natural function of the brain? I don't know. Bonobo's being one of out closest relatives openly engage in homosexual acts. Dolphins jump into group action often and Penguins also are liberated. Is it possible that we have the same potential that is suppressed due to "greed" or another motivator... Good Question.

Article on the freaky nature of the animal kingdom.
Also known in rats and wolves, especially notable under stress of over population, and we humans certainly live in conditions of overpopulation in most cities.

Of course we can all have sex with anyone or any thing (whole in the wall...), the question always has been do you want to ?

Bonobos never developed the knowledge that when the penis enters the vagina there is a baby a few months later, all they know is that it's fun, so they do it. IT FEELS GOOD! But all similar actions feel good too, so why the hell not! The only thing stopping you is your mind.
I think the main example used here is pretty awful.

Plenty of rape and sexual assault victims experience arousal but are obviously not attracted to their assailant necessarily.

Human sexuality and sexual orientation are A LOT more than just arousal. I think almost all people have the potential to be bisexual. (Key here being that not all or not even most bisexuals are equally attracted to the different genders).

I mean there are 6.5 billion people in the world. There are very high chances that you might be attracted to one person of the gender that you're not usually attracted to at some point in your life.
i don't care what happens as long as a man or a women stay away from my butt. It's not a phobia or anything..I don't even enjoy wiping my own ass. lol
Unless that's from a physical discomfort (which I'd then recommend you go to a doctor about), it's likely embedded in a subconscious fear or mental discomfort you're not entirely aware of. While you shouldn't actively enjoy it, it's irrational to feel uncomfortable about wiping yourself because it's that particular area. That actually *is* a form of phobia, which does not just have to do with fear, but also disgust or hatred for something, i.e.: the idea of anything penetrating you or even touching around that area.
But if you've never tried it with an open mind you simply cannot know...
its strange he lived 15 years with his wife
but then he had strength to tell her
i feel its like some one stuck with a partner he doesn't love ... and then he finds real love ?
will he keep on laying to him self ? ... or try to end his marriage ?

i am talking about both men and womens

in my world ... we have prepared marriages ... so 80% of womens here are not marred by love
or the ones they would love to have sex with or live with
its sad sex in my world is not contented with love or chemistry ???
islam and arabic cultures have damage every thing

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