My atheist friends often have Psalm 14:1 lobbed at them as if the verse ends the conversation like a holy grenade! It says, "The fool has said in his heart there is no God".
But the verse does not mean all atheists are fools. It means anyone who "says in his heart" there is no God is a fool. In other words, anyone who denies God for merely emotional reasons is foolish. An issue this profound is not to be determined by one's psychological state or emotional disposition.
The person who has genuine intellectual questions or objections concerning God's existence is not the biblical definition of a fool. God will honor and answer in the humble quest for truth. The honest inquirer is in a better position before God than the emotionally closed-minded.
Since I'm talking about the Hebraic-Christian Scriptures, they repeatedly say we must humble ourselves before God. Think about it. If God exists, humility is certainly in order in seeking Him. "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you". "Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God", etc.
This shouldn't be hard for the atheist intellectually. Most of my atheist friends agree that humility is in order in the quest for any truth. Don't you agree?
(On the other hand, I can see how horrible I would feel (at least at first) if, say, Islam was proven to me to be true. I would be forced intellectually and emotionally to acknowledge Allah and Muhammad. I would have to begrudgingly and reluctantly bow before them. That would suck! I would acknowledge Allah's existence, but probably continually resist any relationship or love for him until he smote me!
But I must say that my emotional resistance to Islam is mostly for intellectual reasons! Thankfully, I am confident there is nothing forthcoming in Islam that will serve as an adequate defeater of Christ's claims.)
BTW, I am aware of Christ's injunction against calling anyone a fool, yet he himself did. Keep in mind that Christ is forbidding unwarranted name-calling (literally "empty head") from people who are themselves often foolish!
Oh yeah! The main use of the "cosmic sphere" now-a-days is for locating specific stars and constellations from a point on the Earth.
A star is located based on Latitude, altitude, ascention and declination. [or in one hemisphere, in hours instead of ascention - I think]
Jeez I'm getting on a tangent... trust a science geek right? lol
The biggest mistake is theists quote the bible. The thing that theists don't understand is, Atheists come from READING the bible, a book written by superstitious tribesmen, who want power and control, through fearbecause they are men with small penis syndrome.
Atheists know the bible, that is why, no matter what you quote, we will come up with either a contradiction in same said bible, or cringe at the violence, torture, and understand that your god is violent, petulant, tantrum throwing and vindictive. Besides the fact that I can't get past The tree of knowledge bit, the talking snake, etc.
To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
This is just ONE of many quotes from this petulant god.
We don't get emotional. We get intellectual. You want to follow this sort of wonderful person, who spouts once again, mean spirited "fool', go for it - I will not, could not, follow anyone that spouts this sort of vile, vindictive rubbish. I wear with pride the name "fool, if it comes from a christian who is quoting from his god, and from a book that I know is codswallop.
Cheers - Suzanne
I think it is often a mistake to simply quote the Bible to my atheist or skeptic friend. I think you'll notice I only do it when a question of internal consistency arises.
As with other things, one can falsify Christian Theism a couple of basic ways: Are the acts of God coherent and consistent in the Scriptures (internal)? Is there a God who can act (external)?
And honestly, I don't know what to make of those child-birth passages. It just seems that the Fall screwed things up royally and got a lot harder via God's direct and indirect judgment. She already would have had labor pains, but they were "greatly increased" after she was removed from the comforts of Eden.
But what if childbirth for human females is only worse than for other animals because our craniums have grown large to accommodate our massive brains (in proportion to our body size) as our species has grown more intelligent? Our heads are too big for our hips, and it's actually our brain-size that complicates childbirth. Our primitive ancestors had smaller heads (much like other primates today).
This is evidence of evolution. If our bodies were the result of intelligent design, you have to question the intelligence and forethought of the designer. I realize that "sin" is the reason for the world's imperfections, but I find that absurdly implausible. And insanely cruel. Eve disobeyed once and then God blew up the size of our brains so our heads couldn't fit through the narrow passage in our hips? Nice, God. Really nice.
To be perfectly honest, I became an atheist when I started reading Snotte Sturlason's king sagas concurrent with having Christianity in school and not being able to tell the difference (around age 11-12)...
My knowledge of the Bible is shameful low for an atheist ;)
Geh... according to the bible we are. Funny thing is... it's often the OTHER side of the god equation that tend to be fools, gullible, child-like, apocalypse-orgasmic, self- and group- hypnotists, control freaks, etc. Who's the fool? I think they are.
Or rather, I meant the "bible banging nut-cases" who accept on blind faith are fools.
If I have an IQ of 87, anything I might say could be randomly and unintentionally correct. I might guess the speed of light in a vacuum or the acceleration of gravity but I would still have an IQ of 87.
I could then proceed to foolishly say other random things and be wrong. And my IQ would remain 87.
As a cognitive atheist - that is a well-read and educated atheist - I can avoid being called a fool. I am not randomly guessing the the universe is 13.72B years old. But I may find myself in agreement with *some* of the fools statements but not others. Wise women and foolish men can agree on many things.
If I turn it around... "Everyone who says in his heart there is no god is a fool." I would be saying something entirely different. That is not what the verse says in an English translation. Which is the version the people that pester me are speaking generally.
I didn't know there was such a thing - found this on the internet -
Have to be in the mood to sent him an email - if more atheists can send this lovely person an email - all the better - just for fun.