Any pro-choicers here? Especially any that followed Angie the Anti-Theist through her abortion drama?

I have been subscribed to Angie on YouTube since before all this abortion stuff, she has some really good videos about all sorts of atheism relevant stuff! :D Plus she's one of the few females who make atheist videos for YouTube. So I love her. ;)

She's also here are Think Atheist of course too, so you can friend her if you want:

She's now, according to her Think Atheist profile, "Dealing w/being the new poster girl for abortion. WTF world. I wanted to be a poster girl for *atheism*. Epic facepalm."

Because, as I first saw when she posted it here at Think Atheist:

She shared via YouTube that she was going to have an abortion... and was going to be live tweeting it. And she did!

I hope most of you know what I'm talking about. If not there has been quite a bit of media coverage and you can look through Angie's videos starting with "Abortion" and moving through the next few ones she posted for more info. You can check her out on twitter and backtrack and see all her tweets - she links to her twitter account in the video description.

Anyway, I was looking through links Angie posted on twitter and somehow ended up here at Jill Stanek's anti-abortion blog (specifially at her articles about Angie):

and here:

And the articles are just SO anti-choice and distort Angie's story HORRIBLY, and 95% of the comments are pro-life and scary. I feel like they need some pro-choice commenters to get at least 1 of them to think a little bit about some of what they're saying. But I can't even figure out how to comment - can someone here figure out how to comment there? If so, can you leave a good pro-choice comment and also tell me how to comment? LOL.

I think it's just what is needed over there. Some pro-choice comments. Non-christian pro-choicers if possible.

By the way this is who Jill Stanek is:

Ah now what category does this fall under... I think it comes down to what you believe an embryo is exactly and that is part of scientific discussions as well as medicine because of what abortion is - a medical procedure. So I'm putting this in the Science: Evolution, Cosmology, Medicine, etc. category of discussion. I almost put it into Political Zoo but even though it is a political issue, I don't think it SHOULD be a political issue... so I'm not categorizing it that way.

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That's what I was thinking, it'll probably be amusing LOL. But I couldn't find that option. I'll look for part x, thanks for the help!
Angie is cool. The sheer amount of hateful crazy that people are flinging at her is mind numbing.
I agree 100%. Angie is amazing and I don't understand why there are so many hateful and/or crazy people in the world who don't see that LOL.
I follow her on Twitter, but I haven't had time to follow this thing very closely. I'm a bit surprised by the attention and reactions it is getting, though. And here I thought I was not being fair to the American public at large. Guess I'll have to lower the bar even more.
I LOOOVE Angie and I so admire her bravery for not only documenting her abortion but also for having the courage to speak about her struggles endured while being raised in a cult!

I agree, she is even bravely talking about struggling with her eating disorder and all sorts of other issues in her life and I admire her for all of it. :D

By the way, to everyone else, I'm reading the entire 10 part anti-choice blog on Angie and almost all of the comments now, I didn't realize it was so long until Neal explained to me that I had to go to part x to comment and then I saw the links to all of the different parts LOL.

I have a lot of things I need to reply to there. I really hope some of you comment there too. Because wow there is some seriously flawed logic in some of the posts and people aren't being fair to Angie at all.
Aw, luvtheheaven! I'm months late seeing this, but thank you very much. Even now, it touched me quite a lot to see you defending the hell out of me "in the lions' den" as it were. Thanks!
It's puzzling to me where believers get the notion that their psycho god is pro life.
Have they ever read the bible? God is not anti-abortion 'he' repeatedly commands his
'ditto-heads' to kill pregnant women, rip the fetus from their bellies, etcetera:

Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on
a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a
woman of another man’s child.

Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might
be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.

Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women
with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their
pregnant mothers.

2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped
open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and [sic] the hell is it that
Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still
claim abortion is wrong?

1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means
that the children god killed were still nursing.
Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.


Source--The Evil Bible
Source - "The Evil Bible" - gotta love that. ;)
Again, it's a simple case of it being ok if God does it. You know, kind of like genocide, infanticide, and murder.
If anyone else does these things, they are horrible! But when god does it, these actions are worthy of praise.
It's also a case of the Xtian right wanting to control the population at large by dictating a set of moral codes that are independent of their religious doctrine.
As it was already pointed out, there is no Biblical basis for life at conception. On the contrary, in MANY places, the Bible points out that the life of a fetus is worth less than the life of a woman-
And holy shit, that's saying something, considering what esteem they held a woman's life in.
Frankly, I don't care what your opinion of abortion is, as long as it doesn't interfere with my right to have one.
But please, please don't use your fucked up book of fairy tales to justify what is clearly a medical issue.
If the crazies didn't have their claws sunk so deep into politics, abortion would be much less necessary.
Why is it that I could buy my birth control over the counter in South East Asia, but not here?
Why is it that there were safe sex posters outside of high schools in Thailand, but even the thought of it in America would get all sorts of panties in a wad?
Why is it that every single 7-11 store in every single backwards country village, (And trust me, that's a considerable number. Those things are eeeeeeverywhere) sells condoms at the counter, right next to the bubble gum so you can grab it without a bunch of hoopla, but here in the U.S, they are secreted away or even require an employee to unlock from a case (as I've found at one Wal-Mart in Nevada)
Why is it that I paid less than two hundred dollars for a five year IUD that's as effective as female sterilization, but the exact same product, inserted the exact same way by the exact same type of doctor would run me over $1500 here?
Oh yeah. Because the Xtian right wants us to be pregnant, shamed, married, forgiven and then in poverty and ignorant for the rest of our lives, because fuck knows that if a woman gets an education, she'll tell these angry, controlling, rich white men where to stuff their rhetoric and brainwashing.

~Takes a deep breath.~

I'm done now.
I'm going out on my own here. I only went and saw Jill's page on it. Angie does not come off well. I haven't went to Angie's page either. There are things that are private in life. As a matter of my choice, I see this as being in poor taste and not a matter of religion, morals, or being pro-or anti-abortion. It does positive harm to the cause of seeking support.
The private portion is a matter of my taste and choice and my reason why I wouldn't share this.

The damage is in some of the tones of the posts. Here is an Atheist expressing joy, at least in tone, during an abortion. Now the argument goes from factual basis to us being pictured as having horns just waiting to kill babies. Sometimes facts aren't the only thing that's relevant to how you come off to others. I would guess that Angie has a different reason for her posts, but it plays out as ammo against pro-choice.


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