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Permalink Reply by Zachery on March 21, 2009 at 4:55pm

The most common (or at least most advertised) opposition to abortion is rooted in the personification of the cell mass that results from a biological process, or perhaps the perceived humanity of said cell mass. Many anti-abortion supporters feel that it's wrong to "end a life/potential for life".

Once all the personal feelings are taken out of the issue, there is no longer any reason to object to (first trimester) abortions any more than there is reason to object to corrective eye surgery or mole removal.

These two ways of thinking are very similar to the differences between how theists and atheists see the world.

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Permalink Reply by Katie on March 22, 2009 at 1:41am

Very interesting, Zachery! Although corrective eye surgery totally freaks me out :)

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Permalink Reply by Nulono on March 22, 2009 at 5:50pm

I would argue the contrary.

1: Prenatal personhood is entirely logical even when emotion is removed.
2: With no religion to bias them either pro or anti, atheists would likely be 50-5 on abortion. However, with many religions being anti-abortion, many atheist reject prenatal personhood along with everything else linked to religion. This contributes to the pro-abortion atheist crowd, putting more pressure on anti-abortion atheists to change.

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Permalink Reply by Nulono on March 22, 2009 at 6:13pm

Basically, hatred of all tied with religion combined with peer pressure.

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Permalink Reply by Katie on March 22, 2009 at 1:40am

Christopher, I'm not sure I understand.

"One can be pro-choice and anti-abortion."

Who is pro-choice and NOT anti-abortion (which is ultimately pro-abortion)?

I'd argue that no one is pro-abortion, even those of us who sympathize with the pro-choice movement.
I may have missed your point here, but I'd appreciate it if you'd help me understand.

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Permalink Reply by Nulono on March 22, 2009 at 5:46pm

Yes, you missed my point completely. Its okay.

Being pro-gambling does not mean I support gambling, just the right to CHOOSE gamble. Being pro-gun doesn't mean I like guns, just the RIGHT to have a gun.

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Permalink Reply by Katie on March 22, 2009 at 5:50pm

Okay, so I'd say that everyone who is pro-choice is also anti-abortion though. Do you agree?

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Permalink Reply by Nulono on March 22, 2009 at 6:10pm

It depends on what you mean by "pro-choice". If you mean supporting a general right to choose, I agree. If you mean supporting the legal right to have an abortion, I disagree.

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Permalink Reply by Katie on March 22, 2009 at 7:03pm

Interesting post Doone. And Christopher, I understand you're point better now.
I would not feel comfortable calling myself pro-abortion, but I do understand what you were saying here.

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Permalink Reply by Nelson on March 22, 2009 at 8:15pm

......and funding programs for actual sex education that works in the real world rather than deny deny deny refuse obfuscate and then try to bury all the scientific research that shows abstinence only "education" doesn't work. yeah, i think you're on to something there doone. :)

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Permalink Reply by Nulono on March 22, 2009 at 9:18pm

Did I ever say I was opposed to comprehensive sex ed and contraception?

Permalink Reply by Nulono on March 22, 2009 at 9:20pm

I am a Democrat.

Well, more of a Green actually.

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