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Permalink Reply by Atheist Ninja on May 10, 2009 at 11:10am

1 out of every 50 people you walk by pull a gun on you? Where the hell do you live? lol

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Permalink Reply by Nulono on May 10, 2009 at 2:10pm

Not exactly 2%, but there's a non-zero probability. My point was that self-defense doesn't apply unless you have reason to believe that that particular person is threatening your life.

Permalink Reply by Nulono on May 10, 2009 at 2:12pm

That first sentence is not grammatical; that is a comma splice.

But the Jews in the Holocaust were often killed by "doctors". Doctors, like all men*, are capable of evil.

*Don't get smart. "Men", here, refers to "mankind", as in "one small step".

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Permalink Reply by Nulono on May 12, 2009 at 4:27pm

Semantics? It's a fact. The Jews were killed by "doctors".

Permalink Reply by Nulono on May 9, 2009 at 8:03am

But the mother's inconvenience or even pain doesn't outweigh the child's life.

And poisoning isn't better than assault.

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Permalink Reply by Nulono on May 9, 2009 at 10:13am

Yes, it is.

But that's the most recent post; blogs list posts backward.

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Permalink Reply by Atheist Ninja on May 11, 2009 at 5:58pm

But the patients inconvenience or even pain doesn't outweigh the tapeworms life.

And antibiotics aren't better than assault.

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Permalink Reply by Nulono on May 12, 2009 at 4:27pm

But a tapeworm isn't human.

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Permalink Reply by Atheist Ninja on May 12, 2009 at 7:25pm

What makes a fetus more important than a tapeworm? You've already established that it isn't it's potential to be a conscious, sentient being that gives it it's importance. It can't be its life that gives it importance, for the tapeworm is alive too. So the only thing that makes it important is that "it is human". Now I'm not arguing that a fetus isn't human, I'm arguing that it isn't important. Or not important enough to not consider abortion anyway.

I believe that what significantly separates humans from the rest of the animals is our minds, our ability to dwell on the past, and to envision the future. If you don't have an active mind yet then you're no better than the rest of the organic matter on this Earth. With the only defining characteristic of this organic matter being that it's well on its way towards being a sentient being. So apart from discarding of some tissue membrane, all an abortion is discarding of is a potential mind. As I've stated before, banning the termination of a potential person is absurd.

So tell me, what are the grounds of your objection again?

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Permalink Reply by Chelle on May 12, 2009 at 7:29pm

I completely agree!

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Permalink Reply by Matt on May 9, 2009 at 1:55am

Ok. I'm much to lazy right now to read 14 pages of comments, so I'm just going to blindly throw my 2 cents into the mix.

I've been in very heated debates on FaceBook regarding abortion in the past. I guess I would say that I am pro-choice of life in that I think it is better to avoid pregnancy through use of contraceptive practices and to choose adoption if an unwanted pregnancy does occur. I realize fully well that that won't work for everybody which is why the ability to choose must remain. I will also note that I am an only child of 3 pregnancies my mother has had, & I'm fine with that.

Under no circumstances do I think it is a good idea to outlaw abortion because, as a great youtube video I saw on TA recently points out, what do you do to women who have 'illegal' abortions? If you make it a crime there has to be some form of punishment, otherwise what is the point of criminalizing it? I think being faced with such a decision is punishment enough, & that it is something to be considered with the highest gravity. It is not as if making abortion illegal will solve or stop anything. If that were to happen, the suicide rate among young women would undoubtedly climb, losing two lives rather than just one and effecting many more.

As for my earliest memory, I remember it feeling very much like...a machine being switched on for the first time. I woke up one morning and it felt like it was the first time I had ever woken up. I don't really know how old I was but I was wearing diapers and still sleeping a in a crib, which I had no trouble escaping from. So I couldn't have been very old. I may have other memories that predate that particular day, but in the chronology of my mind, that is always placed first in sequence.

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Permalink Reply by Nulono on May 9, 2009 at 8:09am

Of course it is a terrible decision to make. The law is fully equipped to handle killings done under duress; that's why we have "voluntary manslaughter".

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