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Permalink Reply by Kirk Holden on January 8, 2010 at 3:34pm

If by god you mean "a frictionless road surface" then yes, god does this every winter. God is slippery. God is love. Love is slippery.

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Permalink Reply by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on January 9, 2010 at 5:05pm

LOL! Very random.... thanks for lightening the mood.

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Permalink Reply by Rich Hammett on January 8, 2010 at 5:01pm

This complaint fails on two levels. The most obvious one is that you are predicating believing in the existence of a God by how you agree with His morals. This fails any rational test. And even proposing it, you seem to say that Christians have never considered that bad things really DO happen in life.

But secondly, you are ignoring the fact that most Christian religions (whom you seem to be railing against) would understand this as God freeing them from their mortal bonds to live with Him for eternity. Basically (depending on your sect) saying that they have suffered and learned as much as they need to in life to graduate to the next life.

You can probably get other atheists to say "YEAH! Hurr hurr hurr!" But this cartoon is worse than the picture most Christians have of Atheists wearing black robes, sacrificing babies, and worshipping Satan.

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Permalink Reply by Rich Hammett on January 8, 2010 at 5:28pm

I'm not following your subject change. The word "most" is not important to my point, and I'll change it to "between 5% and 95% of" if that will make you happier.

You are REALLY evangelical with your second paragraph. I've been around church people like you before, can't make it five minutes without preaching Jeebus, even if they have to change the subject to do so. If you want to say that the news story is a logically consistent reason not to believe in God, you need to make your argument a little clearer.

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Permalink Reply by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on January 9, 2010 at 5:14pm

I see you're point... I'm just addressing a fairly disturbing fact [one among many]. Most Xtians claim their god to be a "loving" god. One thing that I probably should have mentioned that I didn't is you're right... the 4 who died in the crash were released from suffering.... but what about their families? If you lose someone you love, the LAST thing you want to hear is "It's okay, it's all part of God's plan." I got that from my family when my favorite teacher Ms. Neeman died suddenly from a brain annurysm. I didn't want to hear "She's in heaven now." - how do you know that!- and especially not "it's part of God's plan." [ so "God's plan" is to cause massive suffering?] and BTW... many fundies believe "death" is the punishment dealt by God onto humanity for Adam and Eve's "Original sin."

So, I was more asking... why would god take away people [and some of these people were quite young] that suddenly and that violently away from so many families. And why would God let the driver of the Truck [who lived] have to live with the horrible knowledge that he had taken 4 lives! [even though it wasn't his fault - that wouldn't stop the guilt!]

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Permalink Reply by elaine kilshaw on January 10, 2010 at 11:20am

If god is so great and heaven the best place to be why are the religious trying so hard to avoid god and his heaven. As an atheist I do not believe in a god who could make humans able to kill their own children so they can go to this great god. And a place that maybe you have to go on bended knees and pray to your god for eternity. Surely the many religions say that god made us in his image. No in the beginning man made god.
Gods plan stinks.

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Permalink Reply by Michel-san on January 8, 2010 at 7:12pm

God convincing us that he doesn't exist is more important than the lives of a few people! He has to test our faith. Forget omniscience, it ruins the fun.

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

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Permalink Reply by Becky Glynn on January 8, 2010 at 8:12pm

I just received some "flair" which reads: God = Love, Love Stinks, You do the Math...

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Permalink Reply by Rich Hammett on January 8, 2010 at 8:26pm

Now THAT's funny.

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