I posted this on my blog but realized I should have made it a discussion topic...sorry if this annoying, I'm new to the site!
I hope some of you have watched this series 'Ancient Aliens'. I bring it up here, because the 'experts' that are interviewed remind me of supposed experts in the fields of creationism and relgion.
Have any of you watched it? Like a fking train wreck, I try but I can't look away! For those who haven't seen it, 'experts' on possible ancient extra-terrestrial visitors discuss how certain hard-to-explain structures or works of art may have come to be.
Take the Egyptian pyramids for example. An expert will claim something such as "there is simply no way that people 5,000 years ago could have built these pyramids", without any real explanation as to WHY they could not have done it, and immediately jump to the conclusion that they must have been visited by super intelligent aliens who gave them the technology and engineering expertise needed to build such a thing. They go further and surmise that the reason for the mysterious air shafts running through the Great Pyramid were possibly hydrogen refueling stations for alien spacecraft. They then provide absurd drawings and examples of how such a thing would work. They never seem to ask the logical question: why did the aliens stop helping us? why/how did we lose these technologies? why is it that the aliens would teach ancient egyptians how to build a hydrogen storage and refueling station, but none of the technology of how to build a hydrogen fueled craft of their own was ever passed on?
It reminds me very much of a believer blindly following what they read in (or are told is in) the bible. Not thinking for themselves. Not using REASON.
I really don't know where I am going with this post, just curious what, if anything, others here might think about this show and creationists/believers/blind faith in general?
I see what you see Alex. I luv Rachel Maddow, Jon Stewart and Tim Minchin satirizing these people, they make my day, and give me hope - but the gullible do believe it. Have a look at Student of Knowledge comments - it is enough to make me cry. Herman Cain followers, or right wingers 'get money at any cost', would not be watching Rachel or Jon :(
The brilliant thing about humans is the imagination - the brain can think up anything. In a couple of hundred years time, there is going to be a religion following The Lord of the Rings, another following Star Trek, oops, sorry, that's already happening, Matrix. Look what SCientology believe in!!!!!! it's also what gets us to the moon. This bloke is one of the reasons I hate, per se, religions. Just on the bandwagon to make money. And for a History channel to air this codswallop, disgraceful.
This is adding nothing to the conversation, but I just noticed I wrote the original post over a year ago. ANd the fact that people are still talking about it makes me both happy and sad. I mean really - Ancient Aliens? Why would there need to be an ancient alien anymore than an ancient god or ancient angel?
The show is still on the air, and they continue to film new episodes. What a trip.
I have to admit I seem to be drawn to watch it when its on. I mean I would say pretty much it is speculation based on an argument that if it fits it must be true and is horse shit. You can tell there is much stretching done to make their points... I mean time traveling Nazi's really? Now sadly I almost am more likely to believe that it's possible that a few of the things presented as being possible seem more likely than the bible. I think the way we should approach it is by saying hey some of the more interesting ideas with decent arguments are worth a look with a more serious manner as skeptics. The interesting thing in all of this is that whether or not aliens had anything to do with ancient peoples there have been some things coming out that point to that it's possible that many civilizations may have formed much earlier then we thought. Interesting indeed. Anyways the Ancient Aliens TV show... mostly just for fun for me.
Did I say that I believed it when people said they were abducted and molested? Perhaps you should learn to read a little better.
I don't suggest that aliens have never been here because it would just be too hard - I simply have no reason to believe they've been here because I've seen zero compelling evidence of such a visit. This is similar to my stance on invisible boogiemen/gods. If I have a religion, then my central dogma is requiring evidence before formulating a belief, period.
Now, when everyone thought the earth was flat, their observations supported that. Look around you...are you able to see that you are standing on a ball? The curvature is so slight that to the naked eye the earth seems flat. Without further evidence, that is what I would believe. What people were missing, in the equation, was just how massive the earth really is. Even knowing the earth is round, I also realize that the curvature is so slight that in my day to day life it functions as flat. It's about degrees of being wrong - and you really should look up that book, the Relativity of Wrong, or whatever it was called.
Why are you so married to this idea of aliens? Because it's cool? I think it's cool, and love to give it consideration - but it's pure fantasy.
No, it's not closed minded to recognize the superstitious, paranoid writings of Bronze Age cult leaders as having no compliance with the cosmos we can now observe. To suggest that there might still be gods because we don't know everything is EXACTLY like saying "Perhaps there might still be a luminiferous aether, because I have not, as yet, checked under my desk." The luminiferous aether was proposed to explain a predicted phenomenon. When the predictions were falsified, we knew it did not exist. To suggest that the luminiferous aether may then be something else is to admit that what it had originally been proposed to be does not exist. It is the same with gods.
People can make up all the gods they want, but that does not cause them to exist. We will yet discover things which we did not know existed, but to apply the word 'god' to those things simply proves that the things fabricated by man never existed. You can reduce the meaning of the word to absolute nonsense, and then you'll have gods, because nonsense is seemingly eternal in the human mind - just watch the History Channel if you don't believe me.
Ryan, the argument you're raising here is had everyday by everyone here. The argument that: "Why don't you believe something that you can't prove is false."
So my question to you is... Why don't you believe in the Flying the Spaghetti Monster?