Hello members of Think Atheist. I am about to post a comment I made in the 'The black people' discussion.
It is as follows.
"It depends on 'how' you criticize a group of people.
It is a fact that in the USA , the highest %'s of crime is due to Blacks - and generally there is a positive correlation between the population density of blacks in large cities to an increase in crime rate.
It is also a fact that most inner city schools are a majority Black. They also have the lowest test scores.
It is also a fact that most 'hip-hop' and 'rap' music on the market includes a lot of Black people cursing, and talking about doing drugs in their cars, killing cops, hittin up dem 'hoes', dropping out of school, etc.
It is also a fact that there are many Blacks in this country who openly speak out about the Black community and criticize them ... and rightfully so.
But this is obviously not because they are Black. It is because of social and economic reasons. You need to be careful how you analyze the situation - to say these symptoms are because they are 'Black' is just disgustingly ignorant. But the fact does remain that blacks are a problem in the USA communities.
My uneducated reason for this - is because after slavery was abolished - Black people were still either feared / hated / put down / segregated , etc ... and only in the past few decades have they started to be accepted as 'human beings' by the vast majority of whites.
But I will say publically that they are not doing their job as a group in our country to better themselves and to make great lives for their children. Many are too busy putting down education - getting involved in drugs - getting young teen women pregnant (or getting themselves pregnant) - and paying too much attention to popular black media that makes millions of dollars every year keeping blacks in their same positions.
It's not cool to impregnate - be a drug dealer - talk about killing cops - breaking the law - poppin bottles in da ice like a blizzard - or using extremely vulgar language - or using a form of music lyric ebonix.
With all that said, if evidence was put forth that white populations were in fact less intelligent - this would easily be accepted. If it points to Blacks - riots would occur. I personally believe that Black people as a race are stronger - bigger - more athletic compared to their white / asian counterparts. This is easily observed.
Why can't the IQ or intelligence also be relative? I'm not saying it's true - I'm just saying it's a possibility - as I assume intelligence is part of the genes. As is your height - weight - etc.
Fire away at me - I'm sure most of you who criticize my post will have misread it thinking I'm being racist - when in fact I'm not."
"Just as Atheists say they are 'open' to evidence that Gods exist - so I am 100% open to discovering a certain racial group may have increased or decreased intelligence."
Atheists typically don't frame points this way because they usually know better, but that's just a generalization.
You have to remember that racism is still alive and well out there. Racists can no longer speak openly about their thoughts, so they speak in "code". You have, perhaps inadvertently, used one of their code phrases.
I am a big fan of objective facts, too, but IQ tests really don't qualify. Too often the tests use education as a proxy for intelligence, and a person's education is highly effected by the environment in which he or she grew up--including the education and economic circumstances of one's parents, the schools one attended, one's classmates' abilities and attitudes, one's own psychological state, etc. All of these things can be and usually are negatively effected by racism and the history of racism in our society.
Those who are concerned about these problems want to create an environment which nullifies these many negative factors. This process will take generations. In the meantime, it is important for us all to be aware of the unspoken rules of the political situation. This can be hard, because the rules are almost always unspoken. A big clue, however, is when people seem to overreact to what you say. Whenever this happens, then you can bet that you accidentally used words or phrases (or sometimes just ideas or implications) that seem to those listening to be code words for something you didn't really intend to say. Don't try to defend it or yourself. Just say: "Oh, I didn't mean anything like that" and drop it.
Forgive me for little nitpicking, and as a francophone I try not to do this in English... but you and Jon and Reggie (3 people in one topic is a bit much) are all using effect and affect interchangeably and erroneously, and it's driving me a little nuts.
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Please read this: http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/affect-versus-effect.aspx
"Blacks are safer today when they are amongst whites than when they are among their own community." (Think about this!)
Yeah, white people treat blacks so inhumanely ... Yawn.
You know why white people don't go to the inner city at night by themselves? Because it's literally a choice between Life and Death.
The statistics show that Black men purposefully hunt down and seek out whites for most of their 'violent' crimes. Because most black communities have very few white people in them - black people must literally go out of their way to accomplish these horrible crimes.
Black on white crime is a REAL issue. Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda.
7 times more likely to commit homicide!!!
If you look closely - blacks have an exorbitantly high % for homicide due to drugs ... maybe THAT is why there are more incarcerations for black drug 'users' ... COUGH ... oh sorry ... I meant to say drug DEALERS.
The term 'users' is mistaken. Black people are the ones more likely to be dealing cocaine - than using it.
Blacks also have a higher rate of returning to crime. 2.4 previous convictions for the typical average black person compared to 1.8 for the typical average white person.
Blacks commit 52% of ALL murders. Yes, those poor black people are just being 'put down by whitey'. That means out of all murders in the USA , 52% of them were committed by Blacks. When about 12% of the entire population is Black.
Granted, I do realize that if a vast majority of Black males are sent to prison - then their communities have less black males to sustain them - with the children of the black males without a father ... this is a systemic problem, obviously. But what to do?
I think the prison system itself needs to be seriously reexamined.
So overall, blacks target whites to an almost sickeningly amount more than whites target blacks for violent crimes.
We need to stop this vocal and viral strain that teaches White people are 'putting down' the blacks.
In the end, the blacks need to be held accountable for their high crime rates. Call it incarceration if you will, but if I was a police officer, and I knew most drug dealers were black skinned, I would be pulling over black skinned people as well.
If I was a Judge, and I knew blacks had a much higher rate of repeated crime - I would use the sentences necessary.
Sir, with all due respect, I thought I already examined those statistics.
In the one link - it shows a very high rate of homicide due to drug relations. This means black people are more likely to murder other blacks (or whites) due to drug relations.
I'm pretty sure there is also a debate about whether or not the term 'user' is even correct. When you are dealing the cocaine - that is no longer 'using'. Sure, the 'users' could be the same % , but I'm willing to bet more blacks are into the dealing part of it - than whites - or perhaps white people are just better at not getting caught (which is ALSO not very evidential)
If one color skinned group is more likely to murder others over drugs compared to another color skinned group - I find there is justification in targeting a certain skin color.
Just like if White people were more likely to sell cocaine - and commit violent crimes due to drug relations - I'd be pulling whitey over as well.
I'm also guessing the blacks that get pulled over aren't always pulled over by white officers. Hmmm .... statistics for that would be interesting.
Also, as the article mentions, 2.4 compared to 1.8 for previous convictions.
It's not my fault blacks would statistically have a higher number of previous convictions which would tend to give them a higher incarceration rate.