Correct me if I'm wrong, but mostly as atheists, we believe in nothingness after death, or at least I think I do. But then we have all of this stuff with mediums and spirits that maybe point to evidence to an afterlife. Some mediums have told people things that no one else has known, so that really makes me wonder.
I was really just wondering what everyone's opinions were on afterlife and spirits and stuff like that. Like, what exactly do you think happens after death?
I wonder how much valid criticism some of these guys can absorb before admitting they're dildos? Never mind. They won't change their mind because you're just proving their faith to themselves. It's a religion.
Okay, you want to be clear? You do understand the concept of intuition, don't you?
Well, this experience is a kind of "intuitive omniscience" in the sense of it being completely derived from purely intuition. It's not intellectual, you see, as you're insisting...
So, yes, what I'm saying is that you will know everything about everything, but not through intellectual concepts. It's not that you will have the one-inch equation that Einstein was looking for to unify the four fundamental forces. It's more that the 11 dimensional hyperspace posited in string theory which contains "all possibilities," is what you'll experientially undergo as a phenomenon in consciousness. How else could one say that "everything is one" unless they had some kind of deep intuition that this is so?
So, maybe people smarter than I could go into it. I mean, if someone like Victor Stenger or Michio Kaku were to undergo this experience, perhaps they could come up with a more convincing rap that I'm offering here, but it is my contention and my opinion that these things will show you something quite akin to what I've been talking about here. I mean, if you don't believe it will, they why not just shoot for the "full-spectrum" dose and examine it for yourself instead of shoving it aside and putting it in the same category as "Looney Tunes"? I mean, the main difference here is Looney Tunes is something you watch, mushrooms are something you can take that can drastically transform your consciousness temporarily and show you a mental universe that you not only never suspected existed, but that you could not have suspected to exist.
@Unseen I'll admit I'm a dildo when I actually have someone here undergo this experience. However, I'll tell you something, they will not come back with something in favor of their criticism.
Mediums are full of shit. Completely and totally, through and through. It is based on no evidence and you can make up a dead relative and they will "pick up" on it. Its comical at best. Don't believe me? Try it. Go to someone who says they can "communicate" with the dead. Tell them you are trying to communicate with your great grandfather (make up a name). Make up a good back story for him and just agree with whatever the medium says. They are NOT REAL. DO NOT BUY INTO IT. You will realize this after you try my little experiment. Harry Houdini gave his wife a secret word to remember because he made his career debunking these people. He knew that these charlatans would come out of the woodwork trying to tell his wife they could "communicate" with him. Here is the thing. None of them could get the word. None, not a single one. It is all cold reading.
Check it out for yourself. It is a Con.
Well ok maybe the moon is made of green cheese but what is a wiener?
I don't believe anybody who likes hot dogs ever really wants to know the answer to that one.
I'm not sure if I entirely agree with the portion here where you typed, "We know for a fact that the mind is a product of the brain." I'm not sure who you were referring to when you typed "we" there, was it contemporary neuroscience or perhaps contemporary psychology? I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if you've ever read the "Hard Problem of Consciousness" or the "Quantum mind-body problem" or even David Bohm's "Quantum mind." The idea there is that consciousness may be intertwined not only to the physical, but also to what M-theorist entertain, the higher dimensional hyperspace that makes up string theory and M-Theory. To give an example, and I've used this one before, but maybe you might be new to this.
I'll start by quoting something Steven Pinker once said, he said, "The way I think of mind is as a 4th dimensional organ of your body, you cannot see it, because it resides in a higher dimension, but you experience a sectioning of it within the phenomenon of consciousness, but that is only a partial sectioning of it in the same way a plane is a partial sectioning of a cone when it transects it."
I know that quote sounds like something Stuart Hameroff might suggest, but what’s implicit here is that this emergent property of matter, what we call “consciousness," like I said, is somehow intertwined with what M-Theorists rave about, the “higher dimensions” which make up String Theory. For instance, to give an example of this “sectioning” in the quote, when you imagine, say, a tree in the daytime spring scenery, you can see it in your mind’s eye quite vividly, can't you?
You can make out the brilliant colours and and even almost hear the wind as it brushes against its branches and leaves. But where is this tree, really? Where is the tree being projected? We can’t make the analogy from the computer’s output to a monitor, you see, because the tree isn’t really anywhere in your mind. If we were going to take a look at the physical brain, we wouldn’t find the tree, instead we may find certain electrical neural patterns, the breaking and forming of chemical bonds and various other fast chemistries, etc. But if we were going to use the computer analogy, then the monitor, where the image is being projected is in within this “sectioning” of hyperspace while the hardware is a direct correlate in the physical brain, they go together, you see.
I know I posted this earlier in the thread, but I'll post it once more, but these are some of the ideas that people entertain when thinking about these concepts.
So, the point you were making about our return to the state of the unborn may have more implications than you might think. Could it be that consciousness retracts into whatever higher dimension it came from in the first place? If it's the case that the near-death-experience is associated with N,N-DMT, could it be that what this experience is, is a kind of fall into the black hole in the psyche, a process that may take an eternity? In Hinduism, it is believed that when someone dies, there is this notion of "nirvikalpa samadhi" where one's consciousness returns the source or "Brahman," the divine consciousness, an impersonal consciousness. That, in a way, the multiverse is a form of consciousness that within it only creates the illusion of separateness, which is ourselves.
"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing ourselves subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves!" -Bill Hicks
You mentioned why not inorganic things? Well, what about panpsychism? If you run a Google image search for brain cell/universe, you receive a very suggestive image there. By the way, I'm not positing these concepts as "truth," I simply lay 'em out there so people can entertain them or not. The fact of the matter is that no one truly knows.
Jimmy you are a foole (the silent "e" shows how special you are).
Actually, it's just a rip off from one of George Carlin's comedy albums. Can't you be more original?
Love George Carlin, he will be missed...you will not.
Like Stijn Bruers, Jimmy's under the impression that the truth of what he says is a function of the length of his posts. Either that, or he believes that if he buries you under a mountain of horseshit you'll go away.
I wonder if Jimmy is planning on being the next Deepak Chopra?
Is that it Jimmy? Are you planning on being the next King of Woo Woo?
I wouldn't blame ol' Jimmy for giving that a go, there's a mountain of gold to be had in Woo Woo Land.
Oh!!! That's even better:
Jimmy, the Wizard of Woo Woo Land.
Jimbo, best of luck leading the lemmings into the Abyss. :)
If I thought for a second that would work on you, I'd try it --