In this discussion I would like to talk about abortion. It is always something I have felt very strong about and would argue to the ends of the earth on. I have always been Pro-Life, always. Ever since I became an Atheist, this topic keeps popping up in my head. Since it is something I have not wanted to confront, I have been pushing it to the back burner. Now that I have given it some thought I would like to tell you where I used to stand and where I stand now. When I was a Christian my thought process was "Abortion is Never the right choice unless the mother and child will both die." So even if the child were to survive and the mother dies, abortion is still not the right choice. Some might even consider that murder, I guess. To answer this question I'm sure someone will ask, Yes I would have and still would give up my life for my child. Well, now I'm sort of seeing things a bit different. If a female gets raped and gets pregnant from it, abortion is ok, (sad all the way around - for everyone).  If a woman chooses to abort a baby due to the risk to the mothers life, Ok. If the baby will have a very very very difficult life and in turn make the parents have an equally difficult life, ok. To me abortion is a horrible thing, if someone wants to have an abortion just because oops I got preggo. That is horrible. If you don't want kids do everything in your power to NOT get pregnant. Simple as that. Life is a beautiful an precious thing, and yes I do believe it is special.  Any and All comments are welcome :)

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Excellent point. We fret over abortions, but don't give much thought to those who are now alive.
My ire against pro-life conservatives is that they are so passionate about fetuses and zygotes, yet they seem to care little for them once they have developed into children and adults. They overwhelmingly suffer from a "just world fallacy" world view. Once you get into this world, you deserve what you get.
In this day and age, its insane that people are still getting pregnant accidentally, when its so easy to prevent. I raised two girls, very liberally. At an early age they knew about sex and birth control. The only rule I implored them to stick to is "never, EVER, do anything you don't want to do". That was it. They both used birth control responsibly since high school and continue to do so in college. Broken condoms happened, morning after pills were sometimes purchased. Nobody stressed about it, it was a fact of life and a responsibility.

That said, I know one of my girls would have an abortion in a minute if she became pregnant and the other feels that she would never be able to do such a thing. I respect both stands.

The only thing I cannot see is aborting a formed fetus . If you are irresponsible enough to let it go that long, you owe it to that life that's inside you to let it continue. Couples are anxious to adopt, there are options.

I realize not all kids are educated and responsible. I think we need to make this a priority in our schools and have full out sex and birth control education at the very beginning of high school if not sooner. This abstinence silliness is just going to make more babies.
I couldn't agree more - & congratulations on raising such well rounded children!

You're so right that you have to be pretty stupid to get pregnant accidentally, in this country at least. I have a contraceptive implant that lasts 3 years - no accidents!
Excuse me? I don't think i said anything about thinking certain women have less right to abortion. I said you'd have to be stupid to get pregnant nowadays in this country - did I exclude myself from that? no.

I have a very close friend who had an abortion simply because she didn't take precautions & wasn't ready for a child... She knew better, but she did what she did & it was an incredibly traumatic time for her. I didn't judge her for it & I would most likely do the same thing in her place because I have no desire to ever have kids. So please don't accuse me of being smug, I have a uterus & I value it's emptiness thank you very much.

There is a world of difference between thinking someone is foolish & denying their reproductive rights. I would like to think I'm a better woman than that, so don't jump to conclusions about people please.
I said you'd have to be stupid to get pregnant nowadays in this country

There are a lot of stupid people, and we are all stupid about something.
Yes, true. I've had to have the morning after pill more than once through my own carelessness. I realise it sounded like a sweeping generslisation, all i was trying to get at is that there's enough education & different forms of free contraception around in the UK that it shouldn't have to be a reason unless you're not careful. I never said being stupid was a crime or a reason to be denied an abortion.
I never said being stupid was a crime or a reason to be denied an abortion.

Didn't mean to imply that you did. :-)
No problem, I worded it idiotically!

I consider myself a staunch feminist so I was a bit surprised lol. Sometimes i can come across as a bit harsh online... I do believe that if we're going to get the respect we deserve everyone needs to take responsibly for contraception. Having said that, I fully realise that accidents happen to the best of us... including me ;)
You either have the right to it or you don't. Judging the reasons to exercise rights is irrelevant and, well, JM says "smug" and I agree with her, although smug may be too strong of a word. I want a discussion, not a fight!

It is akin to saying someone should not exercise free speech because they say stupid things.
"If men got pregnant, abortion woud be a national sacrament." ~gloria steinham.

I am almost positive that this would be the case.
I'm sorry but birthing a child with the intent of separating it from its mother to me is child abuse. It's also why I disagree with uterus rental services. Generally speaking, children need their mothers to grow up healthy.

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