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Permalink Reply by Erin on November 17, 2012 at 10:23pm

I picked china because they're indebted to them. It wasn't a serious idea.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on November 18, 2012 at 12:00am

same here :)

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Permalink Reply by Judith van der Roos on November 18, 2012 at 7:35am

Nuking anywhere to any degree would likely have a bigger effect than the relatively local one. A study done a few years ago estimated that a modest 30 mega tonne exchange (six 50 kilo tonne warheads) between the two nations would throw enough material into the atmosphere to shorten crop growing seasons over the entire globe enough to reduce yields globally by some 20%. This was not taking into account the fact that due to radioactive contamination other crops would not consumable, and no new crops could be grown in those contaminated areas until the top 60cm of soil had been scraped away, which would be a vast civil engineering effort in itself.

Interestingly this study was done using computer modelling developed for climate change scenarios and surprised those who did it by just how modest an exchange could have a big global impact. Makes you wonder just how useful all those warheads actually are, it certainly made someone wonder because the proposed follow on study for smaller and larger exchanges was killed off, so it had someone worried.

I wish I could remember who did the study, if it comes to me I will post it.

Regards

Judith vd R.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on November 18, 2012 at 12:37pm

I swear I'm really not a fan of a slow death for thousands of people! It's the main reason I'm pro abortion, and fixin'. Masssive breeding slow-down or stoppage can be achieved, it's a positive ecological outcome.

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Permalink Reply by Ron V on November 17, 2012 at 10:11pm

I'm almost finished with the book "when abortion was a crime" - good read, imo, and highlights how some people just don't seem to want to learn from history

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Permalink Reply by Tracey on November 19, 2012 at 3:28am

This thread is now two years on and frankly I cannot be bothered to go through all the thousands of posts, although I have no doubt that they have been thought provoking. 

That said, I for one don't have issue with abortion, purely because I see it for what it is from the medical sense.  Unfortunately, the word abortion has been bandied around far too much as meaning only ONE thing...which is... suppoosedly that women who have abortions are selfish..etc etc...

No.. I am in a category known as a serial abortionist.  Not ONE of the abortions I have had, had anything to do with a desire to slut around unabated and in fact each one of them was out of my control. The only thing I HAD a say in, was to agree to D&C and sometimes DC&E... which, when ON ones medical records, is listed as "surgical abortion". 

I just wish people would stop running with a BUZZ word and applying the BUZZ meaning to the word abortion.

The word ABORTION actually means.. premature expulsion....whether natural OR unnatural...

FACT: THE VAST MAJORITY of conceptions spontaneously abort before a positive pregnancy read can even be done. Then there are miscarriages (STILL an abortion) and if the miscarriage IS a late one (15-16 weeks) then it is KEY for a woman to have a D&C or DC&E to remove the remaining debris. Then we have things like molar pregnancies, blighted  ovum...etc etc etc... ALL needing surgical abortion technique OF what was a WANTED pregnancy.

I am PRO CHOICE for the above reason. Speculating WHY women do have abortions, usually has ZERO to do with the facts BEHIND it.  I am not going to make judgement on ANYONE and shame on those who DO, when they do NOT know all the facts.

Frankly, it's not your damned business anyway.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on November 19, 2012 at 7:44pm

Indeed I've had 3, each was following double contraception use, sometimes REALLY bad luck just happens, shit happens, were it not for my abortions, I would have committed suicide, there's no way I would have endured and unwanted growth to carry on in my body without my consent!

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Permalink Reply by Tracey on November 19, 2012 at 10:16pm

I know of women who have also terminated pregnancies for reasons you did. I don't know if I ever could as such a situation never cropped up, but I would defend your right to the HILT for you to do with your body what you choose to.  

Unfortunately far too many self-professed "pro-lifers" don't see, nor want to see that the reasons some women terminate pregnancies, that such a decision is not made lightly.

For example one quite rabid "pro-lifer" I was interacting with just recently, made the arduous claim that the MAJORITY of voluntary induced terminations, were done on girls who were more concerned with PROMNIGHT or "fooling around/promiscuity". It does not matter to her that the FACTS actually speak the contrary.. she just continued crapping on like a pork chop, going on to say that these girls were sociopaths and  killers and other abuses toward them of that ilk.

Certainly, people have a right to an opinion on such matters, but they would make themselves look less stupid, IF their opinion was actually a learned one. 

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Permalink Reply by T A A on November 19, 2012 at 7:48pm

I'm pro abortion, but I really do wonder where you draw the line between personal or not. If I was pro-life, it would not be just for me, it would be for all society, one who's against the death penalty or animal cruelty doesn't just say "it's personal". I think saying "it's personal" is the weakest of arguments in the pro-choice movement. It's not "personal", it's societal, and ALL females MJST have the ability to control their own bodies. I will not stop on my campaign until all people stop calling things "personal". Personal is food choice, THIS is my life...

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Permalink Reply by a spears on November 19, 2012 at 12:31pm

Abortion is an elective procedure. Whether or not you personally agree with it is not in question when it comes to its legality. Women will elect to have abortions for many different reasons, none of which are anyone's business but their own. No matter how or why they come to that decision, anyone electing any procedure deserves to have surgery done by a certified medical professional in a sterile OR. When it is made illegal, this is the only element that changes. No one comes to a change of heart due to a law. If this is illegal, women that would have survived the procedure will die. Not all of them, but a larger percentage than now. Things don't go away because they are illegal. 

Also, this conditional legality is really no different than proving one was raped 'legitimately' or that one was molested or whatever other morally acceptable cause for abortion. This is putting the woman responsible to the state for her sexual behavior and then beholden to state approval for her desires with regards to her own body. This is a hideous misuse of state power and probably, next to wage discrimination, the worst example of sexism in our society. It's ridiculous that any woman would advocate any legislation to limit the choices for women when it comes to their own bodies. Make decisions for yourself, fine. It's none of your business why anyone else seeks an abortion, they will get one if it's legal or not.

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Permalink Reply by Melvinotis on November 19, 2012 at 7:16pm

Well said. 

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Permalink Reply by Jean-Baptiste on November 19, 2012 at 3:52pm

Even Christopher Hitchens was against abortion. It should be fairly easy to understand that is is great moral evil being perpetrated by our society. Conception is the only logical place to define life. It is at that point that the zygote has its own DNA distinct from that of either of the parents, and it begins development at an astonishing rate, this development will only stop if some violence is perpetrated against it. The viability of the embryo or foetus is irrelevant. It is already on the fast track to becoming a sentient human being. If the parent cannot keep the child then adoption is preferable to killing the embryo. A woman's choice is before she become pregnant. 

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