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Permalink Reply by gary gromet on October 17, 2011 at 3:07pm

• In America, over 90% of women pregnant with a Down syndrome fetus abort it. Palin is typical of the one in 10 that does not.
• In Denmark, the percentge is almost 100. Denmark is far more moral than America is: free universal adequate health care, firmly established social safety net for the ill, infirm or disabled and no capital punishment.
• Denmark has a state sponsored church, but almost all Danes are  secular, the majority being atheists.

Therefore, religions create and sustain the anti-free choice movement. Secondly, the only moral abortion for members of the movement is their own.

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Permalink Reply by Jonel Burge on October 17, 2011 at 3:51pm

An anti-choice US senator signed off on a 2nd-term abortion for his wife:

 

http://oursilverribbon.org/blog/?p=188

 

Really, they could have not given the antibiotics. A similar woman(who wasn't a senator's wife, and therefore, not important) went into cancer remission mid-pregnancy--instead of giving her chemo, which would have killed the baby, they instead shoved a feeding tube down her throat and put her in a drug coma in the hopes the baby would be delivered late enough for it to survive--it didn't. She died a few days after the premature baby was born, due to the completely untreated cancer.

The fact that a hospital could do this to me and any other woman if the wrong doctor attends terrifies the living shit out of me.

 

 

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Permalink Reply by T A A on October 18, 2011 at 12:45am

I don't see the relevance of comparing the "moralities" of different countries. Denmark also has a huge neo-nazi movement, high alcoholism, etc...

The grass is generally NOT greener on the other side. We all have our shits to deal with.

19% that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, god, or ...

That's only 3% higher than Canada. And we're a bunch of religious/spiritual/imaginary followers too. I think some our atheist forum members read much too much into certain statistics.

I agree with you that patriarchal modern day religions sustain the pro-life movement, but it was not always so. In the "rabid" sense, pro-lifers are a very recent phenomenon.  Women have been aborting for thousands of millennia. Only in the last century has become a big deal.

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Permalink Reply by William C. Walker on December 1, 2011 at 3:39pm

Great post gary.  I've been to Denmark, several times.  I agree with you 100%.   It's 'better managed' than the U.S., by light years.

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Permalink Reply by Ceci on December 1, 2011 at 4:01pm

abortion is not "the new fashion", as another wise TA user said commenting my post about abortion in italy: it is a dreadful choice to which a woman can be forced by circumstances. anyway, undesidered pregnancies happen, so, if things goes for a girl like "ooops i got preggo", meaning that she is going to ruin her life having a baby, or that she is going to give to her baby a bad life (not giving him/her what he/she needs to grow up happily, or simply fostering the child with some institute, letting him/her growing up as an orphan), maybe to give birth to this baby is not the best solution.

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EDIT: i haven't noticed that this post was an old one bumped by william... i apologize  -_-'

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Permalink Reply by Zach Winkler on December 1, 2011 at 5:05pm

I do not have the time to read all the other post, but I would like to through in my opinion.

 

I am pro-life because I am against murder. My reasoning goes like this: Once conception occurs the entity created is a human (there is no argument against that, it is genetically a human). Humans have certain rights and one of those is protection from murder. The mother has no right to end it's life because it is not her life to end, it is the child's life. I do accept abortions in the case of possible death to the mother, rape, and extreme ill-being of the child (severe deformity), but that is it. Take responsibility for what you create. I can not find the words to describe how disgusted I am with those who find it in their "rights" to end a life; this is taken to a new level when you create the life (with the exceptions I described). Those are my thoughts.

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Permalink Reply by Reggie on December 1, 2011 at 5:10pm

You really should read other posts.

 

BTW, I create sperm and they are alive and genetically human and I murder them by the millions!  Mwahaha!

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Permalink Reply by Zach Winkler on December 2, 2011 at 5:52pm

There were 35 other pages, I did not have the time to read all of that. Besides, I was not commenting on other's post, just giving my own opinion. So I thought it would be fine, I hope you forgive me. And technically you are only murdering millions oh half-humans. With-out eggs it does not count (in my book). And yes, that was funny.

Also! I love your profile picture. That is an adorable dog!

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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on December 1, 2011 at 5:39pm

I cannot find the words to describe how disgusted I am by those who would bring unwanted children into this sad, vastly overcrowded world.  Nor can I find the words to describe how disgusted I am with those who want to force their religion on others.  I am particularly disgusted by those who are too stupid to see that the entire abortion controversy is a recent invention, trumped up in order to use people's emotions to get them to vote for theocracy and against their own interests.

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Permalink Reply by Jewelz on December 1, 2011 at 5:53pm

I do accept abortions in the case of... rape.

Do you also accept murder of innocent newborns who are the product of rape? If an innocent fertilized egg has the same rights as a human, why the distinction?

You're what I call one of those "mostly pro-choicers" who is only pro-life in the case of promiscuity or failed birth control. Basically, you think a female should not become sexually active until she is willing to accept her duties as a baby making machine, the exception being rape because that female didn't "choose" to spread her legs. This is probably due to the way your society views sexuality.

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Permalink Reply by William C. Walker on December 1, 2011 at 8:36pm

Spot on, Jewelz.

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Permalink Reply by Reggie on December 1, 2011 at 9:48pm

Hot damn!  When you put up posts like this, it makes me want to be the reason you need an abortion.  

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