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Permalink Reply by Zach Winkler on December 2, 2011 at 6:12pm

Hey, I was just wondering. What do you guys think about the father's role in abortion? People often ignore the father's opinion, or so I have seen. (And lets assume that he is not a rapist!)

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Permalink Reply by T A A on December 2, 2011 at 6:33pm

Consultative only. I've known a few women who've received promises of daddy-ship from the guy, only to have him walk away in the late months of pregnancy or soon after birth. The male can always change his mind, the female is almost always stuck with the result.

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Permalink Reply by Zach Winkler on December 3, 2011 at 9:24pm

The only problem I have with youe logic is that it seems to punish the father just because their is a large enough stereotype (if you would call it that) of bad fathers. It makes me feel that the mother is some-how more of a parent than the father. Like punishing a dad just because he lacks the ability to become pregnant. What do you think of this reasoning?

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Permalink Reply by T A A on December 3, 2011 at 10:03pm

It's a matter of "the buck stops here".

I as a human can only count on myself. To make any decision that will affect my daily life for the next 18-20 years based on someone else's promises is simply not reasonable. It's not about stereotypes, it's about where the ultimate responsibility rests. When I pay the final price, it is my decision. If any other individual wants to help out... fine, but it's on no more than a momentary basis.

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Permalink Reply by Zach Winkler on December 4, 2011 at 11:07pm

I would not be surprised if a man (who really cared for his child) became almost homicidal over the fact that his partner aborted the baby. I know that sound extremely harsh, but I just wonder how some-one would deal with that if the mother made that decision. It is just mind-rattling to me (when using your logic). And again, I used "homicidal" in a non-threatening way!

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Permalink Reply by T A A on December 5, 2011 at 12:39am

That type of male does not deserve the title of sentient human being and I really wish women did not procreate with such violent minded males. In addition to that... males don't even know it's their offspring unless the female tells them... so your words simply encourage any future spouse of yours to not be truthful.

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Permalink Reply by Zach Winkler on December 5, 2011 at 7:48pm

Just in case you mis-understood my meaning of "homicidal" (which I am not saying you did, but I am not sure if you did or not) I meant it in the way that any good parent would want to protect their family or the feeling of need to avenge an individual who is dear to them. Like if I was killed infront of my father, how he would feel the extreme need to destroy the criminal who killed me. Or how a mother may want to kill some-one who killed her child. If you did take it that way, then I guess I just repeated my-self for no reason. But I think a male (and not just a male, but any parent) that would use all of their power to avenge or protect their child deserves to pro-create. But the way you explain it, it is like a hostage situation. I see it unfair that the mother just gets to hold the baby hostage while the father has no say in his child's life, legally as you say.

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Permalink Reply by Jewelz on December 3, 2011 at 11:57pm

If that's the way you feel, I recommend having a talk about abortion before you become sexually active with a new partner.

However, you'll still have to remember that, ultimately, it's her body so the decision is hers.

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Permalink Reply by Zach Winkler on December 4, 2011 at 11:10pm

I am actually Asexual (take that as you wish), so I do not really need to worry about that (I think). The point I am trying to make is that I find it severely unfair to kill a person’s baby just because they are not caring it, regardless of stereotypes or risks of abandonment. But I guess talking about it with your partner would prevent such circumstances, unless she is a lier or something.

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Permalink Reply by Joe g on December 2, 2011 at 6:19pm

7 billion and counting, beautiful precious miracles wandering around out there.Many of them sick starving unloved and unwanted, abused mistreated  and uncared for.

It is nobodies damn business why a woman would elect to terminate a pregnancy.

If you think you are so capable of angst over the philosophical question, what makes you think a pregnant woman is not equally capable of torturing herself over the decision.

The reasons a woman would chose to terminate a pregnancy are her own.

If you don't think abortion is appropriate, don't have one.  If you want to force your "ethics" on someone else, become a priest.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on December 2, 2011 at 6:35pm

Hear hear.

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Permalink Reply by Amy L. Cook on December 4, 2011 at 2:21pm

Well said.

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