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Permalink Reply by Dylan Martin on December 2, 2011 at 2:07pm

Mentality is the one thing christians lack.

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Permalink Reply by Reggie on December 2, 2011 at 1:22pm

Ooooh, epic burn, atheists!  He trolled you all real good.  Time to celebrate with some self-congratulatory masturbation, eh?  Killing more babies....  Mmmmmmm!

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Permalink Reply by Ateo1979 on December 2, 2011 at 1:52pm

Sounds like dinnah time!

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Permalink Reply by Amy L. Cook on December 2, 2011 at 2:53pm

We already HAVE learned, that's the thing. It is you who lacks education.   :)

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Permalink Reply by Ateo1979 on December 2, 2011 at 1:11pm

I don't really ponder abortion nor do I obsess over it.  There's no logic in being saddened by someone else choice, whether it was based on selfish, callousness or what not.  Not my problem.

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Permalink Reply by Zach Winkler on December 2, 2011 at 6:11pm

But if the person's (the mother) choice is murder (as pro-lifers see it) then is it not societies responsibility to defend the victim (the fetus)?

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Permalink Reply by Richard Porter on December 2, 2011 at 2:12pm

I would conjecture that conciousness defines life, therefore once the foetus develops conciousness (not sure exactly when but I do recall that this does happen during pregnancy, I'll try and find references if ya like) it's a baby and abortion is wrong, however before this point I think the wishes of the mother/father should be upheld. I would expect a lot of people would probably reject my conciousness = life theory though :P

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Permalink Reply by T A A on December 2, 2011 at 2:16pm

consciousness without free will is worthless.

Without free will / self determination, we are but vegetables. Yes vegetables are life... but...

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Permalink Reply by Michael Appleman on December 2, 2011 at 2:52pm

How do you know you actually have free will?

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Permalink Reply by Ateo1979 on December 2, 2011 at 2:17pm

I have to agree with your theory.  But the Christians would debate that entirely especially when you apply that to human vegetables such as Terry Schiavo.  There's no consciousness there so would she have been considered a life?  I think having machines keeping you alive should spell out the obvious, but the oh so pro-life (yet pro-death penalty) would believe she would be "alive".

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Permalink Reply by Richard Porter on December 2, 2011 at 2:29pm

In this case I have to say it becomes difficult to define, I know that personally if I were to go into a vegetative state at any point I would want someone to end my existence as I would not consider that a life. Without thought and consciousness we are nothing but a machine carrying out functions for the sole purpose of keeping the machine running.

But then this is just my opinion.

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Permalink Reply by Evan Meinel on December 2, 2011 at 3:00pm

Once the brain starts functioning then i think it's murder. Before? A mass of tissue that happenes to have potential for life. Hope my opinion helps.

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