The abortion "controversy" is a ginned up "wedge" issue that religion is using to try to regain the ground it is losing as a result of nearly universal education, scientific advancement, and the evidence of it's role in the Holocaust.
Like most such ploys by religion, the strategy is to identify some visceral, instinctual "hot button" that will cause people to blindly support the "right" leaders. "Saving babies" is a surefire way to do that.
It also just happens to fit perfectly with religion's unhealthy obsession with sex--and stopping it.
//The abortion "controversy" is a ginned up "wedge" issue//
Of course it is. Historically, Christians were not so against abortion. There were a lot of babies left by the side of the road. There were a lot of mothers who could not afford their babies and left them on church steps to die or be adopted. And abortion itself isn't a new thing - there were always methods to abort babies.
Here's a link. Take it for what it's worth, given the source. I don't think it's that far off the mark.
Thank you for that link. Here is one you might be interested in as well:
It lays out the history of the Catholic Church's views on abortion.
The author is a former priest who switched churches. I would join his congregation in a heartbeat if only there was some truth to the whole "invisible magic man" thing.
William C. Walker wrote: "Every baby that is born has a RIGHT to be healthy, wanted, loved & provided for until it is able to provide for itself. When all these conditions are not met, abortion is a moral choice."
Thank you for saying that. I am continually perplexed how so many people seem to be completely oblivious to this issue.
The average amount of sperm ejaculated is 111 million. So would you consider this to be 111 million corpses, or 111 million potential children?
The fetus isn't alive till 12 weeks, there are reasons why it's illegal after a set period of time. It is no different than an egg. If you're going to argue against this then I propose another question for you...
What would you consider a human being without a head? Because a fetus doesn't even start to develop a head until 8 weeks. So you either admit that a fetus is no different than an egg, or you admit that walking zombies are a very likely conclusion.
Life is NOT a beautiful and precious thing. We are born, we eat, we fuck, we die, these are all equally 'beautiful'. And whether considered beautiful or not, they are all equal. We are but temporary beings on this planet, and there are way too many of us. I am OK with anything that reduces our numbers, from the outset. What is truly horrible is in this supposed age of enlightenment and atheists considering themselves 'above and beyond' the forces of nature, is to force a human to carry an unwanted foetus for 9 months, THAT is horrible, and nearly drove me to suicide. Women have been terminating pregnancies for all the known history of humans. Birthing only became sanctimoneous with the advent of Abrahamic patriarchal religions.
My earliest understanding of the normality of abortion was living 'in the country' and on farms where when puppies and kittens who were too populous would be euthanised, humanely. My earliest sentiment was if we were were humane enough to save a kitten or puppy from a life of misery, surely we were humane enough to do so for a human.
If you don't want kids do everything in your power to NOT get pregnant.
For 14 years I begged docs to sterilize me, but noooooooooooooooooooooo, they were insistent I would eventually want children. So any moral judgement regarding my abortions (while making use of the pill, condoms, morning after pill) is SQUARELY on the patriarchal hypocritical medical establishment.
You know what was a real surprise to me after I finally got my tubes cauterised? My promiscuity went down, a whole lot!!!
I spent months and years pondering on that and came to the conclusion that I'd been allowing myself to live in a zone of illusion, like:
-maybe... if I found the right guy
-maybe... if the world were not overpopulated
They were extremely small maybes, somewhere in the range of strong agnostics' assessment of god.
I also tended to date nice guys, guys oddly enough with good fatherly potential, whereas a good many women complain that they can't find a good man to become a father, which is why they ended up with jerk assholes... but why did I end up with the good guys?
Anyway, after the cauterisation, I truly stopped dating and/or fucking men who thought of children. Which means my sex life went way downhill! hehehe
So in the greater scheme of things, if my experience can be extrapolated, widespread sterilisation would not only reduce unwanted pregnancies, but might also reduce the incidence of STDs! (Not that I ever had any...)