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Permalink Reply by T A A on November 15, 2012 at 10:21pm

cute pets :)
Funny about the healthcare thing, I have a this funny opinion that people in healthcare are the most marriageable people around, since they are the most empathetic, the most compassionate, and the most driven to save lives at all costs. Of course I don't really associate with those qualities, and I am happily bachelor... :)

A vast majority of people on this site have only let go of supernatural in the last few years, some here STILL have not let go of all supernatural. Everything that is modern human is learned. It is the reason our society is so dysfunctional. The very people, such as yourself, who's life purpose is to ensure the earth has the most humans possible, through eschewing death as often and long as possible, are the very source of our dysfunctional humans... sorry, I don't mean this personally, but to all people in healthcare. In a regular biologically driven species, unfit individuals would not survive to procreate. We have skewed this, ensuring that all individuals get their "chance" to breed. You could compare it to salmon farming. Salmon farming is the death of the wild population of salmon, because of all the defective babies that grow to adulthood, spreading disease throughout the wild populations, breeding defective genetic makeups into the general population. This is what pharmaceutical companies are banking on, the more defective genes get to procreate, the more clients the pharmaceutical industry has. It's a wonderful business plan, more sick people, more income, and so on and so on.

It is the ultimate demonstration of the Law of Unintended consequences... good intentions creating bad results. "Good" is often not "good". It's why I dislike concepts of good and bad, they're entirely subjective, to the person who stands to benefit from it.

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Permalink Reply by Erin on November 15, 2012 at 10:52pm

Strega, that was a great post, and you brought up a really good point. This idea that contraception is murder, and that people are opposed to someone using it has often boggled my mind. I cannot wrap my head around it, but some of the stuff that someone was saying about Islam made me think maybe it's a way to make soldiers for "gods army". I've heard that expression used, and thought they meant it as a metaphor, but maybe the goal is that if you have the
majority of people who think the same, you can wipe out the rest, is this maybe a secret goal of the Christian church? One of my friends was complaining about the sex Ed in schools, and how they're teaching them about masturbation and how awful she thought that was. Then she went on to say that only abstinence prevents pregnancy and disease, she seemed to completely overlook the fact that masturbators cannot infect themselves... Well I guess they could if they did ass to ewwwww..... Icky poo. Sex is gross. Why do religions have such a hard time around human sexuality? Why did they come up with this idea that god hates sex unless its for procreation? And now I have to come up with a new set of rules or good and evil... Well, I still don't want to hurt anyone, or myself, and I'd like to make a difference in the world, and have a bit of fun...maybe I don't have to change too much! Thanks everyone for making me think! And sorry for being icky, I'm only human ;)

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Permalink Reply by M.B. on November 16, 2012 at 2:57pm

I share many of the views of George Carlin's, specially when talking about the sanctity of life. You said that "life is a beautiful and precious thing," I warrant you that it isn't for those children dying of hunger. Life is Life, whether it's beautiful or not is all about where you are standing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM

Consider this, when it comes to abortion we only care about OUR own species. We don't think twice about the chicken eggs we eat (those are fertilize eggs too).

Women should have the right to carry an early abortion for any reason. Yet, I do not endorse abortions as substitutes for birth control. Abortions should be performed at any point of the pregnancy if the life of the mother is endangered. Abortions should be performed if a woman gets pregnant because of a rape. Abortions should be performed if the child is not likely to have a normal life, and if the parent(s) choose to do so.

Try thinking of life and abortion in objective ways, without adding any emotional baggage. After we all get that down, lets get down to care for the people who's already here, instead of those who don't exist and might never do so.

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Permalink Reply by Dale Headley on November 16, 2012 at 4:36pm

I agree with all you say; however, it misses the REAL point of the "pro-life" agenda.  It is NOT about reverence for life; if it were, these people would oppose the death penalty and wars, but they don't; in fact, they tend to embrace both wholeheartedly.  At its core, it is about the male domination many insecure men (and their obedient wives) see as being  endorsed in the Bible.  As I said, I agree with you, but it's a moot point, because it should not be MY decision, it should be YOURS and that of all women who face the agonizing choice.

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Permalink Reply by Strega on November 16, 2012 at 5:38pm

You know one day, it would be really gratifying to walk into a "pro-life" abortion-banning, contraception-banning meeting, and announce:-

"You know what?  You're right!  Women can't interfere with the fertilised zygote!  At any stage! Absolutely right..... So obviously, we must insist that all men have vasectomies!"

Now that we have artificial insemination sorted, we really don't need pregnancy from sex.  Just have a bit of sperm frozen with your name on it, and line up here for the little snip.

Problem?

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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on November 16, 2012 at 5:57pm

"Problem?"

Yes, I can't write my name legibly that small.

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Permalink Reply by Strega on November 16, 2012 at 6:12pm

No miniature calligraphy skills?  Oh dear, we won't be needing your genes in the pool!

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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on November 16, 2012 at 6:41pm

That's alright. I was planning on having robots instead of babies anyway.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on November 16, 2012 at 9:22pm

Excellent idea, I've been promoting that one for a couple of years. Most importantly, no teen pregnancies, no unwanted pregnancies, AT ALL, now that would be major progress.

On top of that, imagine how much more well loved all the children of the world would be if they were all planned for, dear me, I dare say the academic performance of youth would surely double.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on November 16, 2012 at 9:14pm

You know Dale, it was never really about the sanctity of life for faithers, that was just a chimera. It was originally about patriarchy's rights to fertilise females at will, to ensure that EVERY SINGLE MALE got a piece of the action, instead of just alpha males; that's why the apparent cognitive dissonance with capital punishment etc,

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Permalink Reply by Erin on November 17, 2012 at 5:11pm

Hey I think I've come up with a way to solve the economy and the overpopulation problem. Why doesn't the US just borrow all the money they need from china and then just nuke them off the the planet? I know this is a ridiculous inhumane idea, but I cannot be the only person who's thought of it? I would not be in favour of this, it just seems like similar things have occurred in history that it wouldn't be all that surprising.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on November 17, 2012 at 8:05pm

China??? why on earth China??? they're by no means the biggest culprit!

Look at this page: List of countries by ecological footprint. But don't use the default view, be sure to sort according to the last column, which takes in to account for the footprint of the country, but also the country's resource availability. The net eco-value of sorts.

So if you really want to get rid of countries, this is the order it should proceed in for the first dozen:

1-United Arab Emirates
2-Bahrain
3-Qatar
4-Belgium
5-Kuwait
6-Singapour
7-Netherlands
8-South Korea
9-Israel
10-Saudi Arabia
11-Macedonia
12-United States

Now tweak that with demerit points for nasty attitude to human rights violations... I'd say no.9 would move to 4 and 12 would move to 6.

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