A bodybuilder who's been competing as male has announced that he's transgender. What if he decides to compete in women's bodybuilding? Is that fair?

As it is, female bodybuilders exhibit so many male characteristics that one suspects their male hormone levels are very high, whether naturally or whether supplemented with steroids and/or growth hormone.

As if there isn't enough controversy in sports, does bodybuilding need a third category for contestants or will (for the lack of a better word) "real" women eventually be nudged out of competition?

Should people of ambiguous gender simply be banned?

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I think we had a post similar to this recently. My solution to this problem is to introduce weight classes rather like boxing. Then we don't have to worry about whether someone is male, female or whatever other categories can live in between. The separation of competitors should be based on a quality that is relevant to the sport. In this case strength.

That just moves the issue to the weight category level. Does a "woman" with very high testosterone level in the 150 lb class have an unfair advantage over a more normal level? And what about a born-as-male contender? Would s/he have an unfair advantage over natural women?

It suffers from the same problems as any category that is imperfect. In boxing if you are 1 pound under the top of the bracket of a weight class you will have an advantage over someone who is 1 pound over the bottom of the bracket.

The trick is to find the most effective way of determining the categories that allow the sport to have the fairest contests. I don't pretend to know what that is as I know nothing about body-building anyway. My point is that gender is clearly not a good way to separate as some women are far stronger than some men.

Perhaps testosterone level could be a determining factor. It really depends what works as a fair determinant.

Maybe there needs to be a handicapping system like they use in amateur golf.

They have the same issue with Fallon Fox, the UFC female fighter...

Dana White talks about it....

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=fallon+fox&FORM=VIRE3#view...

I think that there is a huge reason to maybe include a third for even fourth division for specifically transgender. I think putting them in with the women is not cool.

I personally wonder if the end of competitive sports (or their relevance) is on the horizon, at least on the amateur level because the more you look at them it's hard to imagine how they could be made fair.

These gender-between-the-genders issues are creating a mess wherever a distinction between men and women was created out of a sense of fair play. 

Maybe we need to tell transgender people that there are simply some things they can't do anymore.

Another messy area is in schools when, for example, there aren't enough girls for a girls baseball team so they let interested girls join the boys team, sometimes doing very well. But then the league has a rule that girls can't compete for championships in boys' sports.

Maybe we need to tell transgender people that there are simply some things they can't do anymore.

I don't agree. What's so difficult in making a transgender division in sports? For example in the UFC...they should NOT have IMO former men turned women fighting women. I totally disagree with that. But if they have the former men fight each other then they are on the same playing field, because they are certainly no longer as strong as the men, and will always be stronger than the women...so just make a division to support them. Even if it's a small division, at least they'll have their own opportunities and there will be an audience for it...

First off, there'd have to be two divisions, one for male>female and one for female>male, right? Then, do we need two more for cross-dressers? I'm sure a male competing in women's outfits will have certain problems and vice versa.

What's so difficult in making a transgender division in sports?

I think the main problem is the lack of available athletes and possibly the lack of audience interest. Transgendered people make up a fairly small fraction of the population so it makes sense that we would expect to find a fairly small number in any given sport at any given level. I would assume that number is so small in most sports that the idea of a transgender league would result in a whole league for one or two athletes.

Given the typical mindset, I can imagine such a division being treat

Not sure what pronouns are appropriate given the recent announcement so I'll just use he for now.

What if he decides to compete in women's bodybuilding?

 He'll find it very difficult to maintain muscle mass on a feminine hormone regime. Bones on the other hand, having developed under masculine hormones are likely larger and stronger than his born female count, potentially giving him a significant edge over his female counterparts.

Is that fair?

In the case of body building, where to my knowledge the aim to get the best body (a subjective measure) yes. Judges will take it into account. If we were talking about weightlifting, I would think there is some case to say that no, it's not fair, and neither is forcing a trans woman to compete in a mens event.

does bodybuilding need a third category for contestants

That's the obvious solution. Either that or devise some kind of handicap system to facilitate fair competition.

Should people of ambiguous gender simply be banned?

No. They should compete against peers who have both a chance to win and a chance to lose.

Maybe we need to tell transgender people that there are simply some things they can't do anymore.

I'm not in that "we" when it's about body building, as I'm generally not interested in it to start with. So it all depends on the audience, more specifically those who pay for and sponsor it. (I imagine "wrestling" performances--e.g. Hulk style--are supported mostly by trailer park residents. Whoops, bad analogy.)

I'm just pointing out that what's considered fair and appropriate depends a lot on what the audience being entertained wants to see. I'm not that interested in bicycle races any more, after Armstrong's unfair wins.

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