This is cool!!! I've always loved Lisa Ling's quest for truth :-)

Watch this Sunday night ;)

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I like Lisa Ling's reports, too, but she has no right to speak for all Satanists. I'm sure there are Satanists who do worship Satan.

She's not "speaking for" Anyone. It's part of her ongoing "This is Life" series, (which is very good BTW. I've seen several episodes and loved all of them.)

When she tells us five things we didn't know about atheists, she is speaking for or describing the views of someone or some group. She is characterizing one group only.

I think you're reading WAY too much into the title.

Clearly, she is telling us WHAT ONE GROUP OF SATANISTS BELIEVE. So, in that sense only, she is speaking for (explaining) their beliefs, which they call (with little justification) "Satanism."

I say there's little justification because, well, they don't worship Satan.

Certainly there are people who worship Satan, are there not? And wouldn't they be the real Satanists?

I say there's little justification because, well, they don't worship Satan.

I actually started to look into this when I saw her video. I know we've talked about this before, but I never really began to understand them myself. So yes, it sparked my curiosity....

No, they don't "worship" Satan. They don't worship anything. Satan is a symbol to them of what it means to be on a quest for knowledge.

They are basically an activist group that uses the veil of religion to fight for religious freedom. I watched another video about the recently established Seattle Chapter. Honestly the work they do is very much the same kind of work that other Atheist groups do. They petition and legislate to make a point and to protect people from the abuses of religion.

I only disagree with the notion that somehow her five points about Satanism are universal truths about Satanism. In a way, they are only Satanists because they call themselves Satanists.

There are doubtless other groups who do worship Satan which Ling didn't get into.

I suppose.

You can't possibly think there are no REAL Satanists, who actually live up to the name.

I'm sure there are Satanists who do worship Satan.

There are. To my knowledge, they call themselves Luciferians.

Also, the word satan is apparently derived from the word opposer, or opposition. When La'Veyan Satanists use the word, it is with that meaning in mind. I haven't read the article but I assume it's talking about La'Veyan Satanism.

Surprisingly, most card-carrying satanists do not worship Satan or any other form of the devil -- they are actually atheists.

So I read that and I got curious, because I never heard of that before. So I decided to dive into it further more.

As Anton LaVey explained in his classic work The Satanic Bible, Man—using his brain—invented all the Gods, doing so because many of our species cannot accept or control their personal egos, feeling compelled to conjure up one or a multiplicity of characters who can act without hindrance or guilt upon whims and desires.

Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with—such mythical entities, he places himself at the center of his own subjective universe as his own highest value. We Satanists are thus our own “Gods,” and as beneficent “deities”

So "Atheistic" Satanism believes that each individual is his/her own god? You don't believe in an external god however you believe yourself to be a god. That does not quite sound like "atheistic" logic at all.

Lately in my experience with differing non-Abrahamic faith religions, I tend to see that some like to conveniently say that they practice the "atheistic" version of their religion. I guess its the flavor of the month to call yourself an "Atheist" nowadays.

Adam, I think you placed too much emphasis on the wrong parts of the quotes provided. You need more emphasis on

Man—using his brain—invented all the Gods


Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction

and less emphasis on

We Satanists are thus our own “Gods,” and as beneficent “deities”

It's the quotation marks that give it away... Satanists don't believe they are literal gods... they simply hold themselves in the high regard that christian's hold their god.


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