Be sure to vote, I am curious where most atheists stand on this issue.

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#Unseen - argumentum ad ignorantiam - look at the statistics, and I will guarantee you didn't see the fabulous web page on Keep Americans Armed - http://www.americansworking.com/guns.html

or Gallup's links to statistics. All a very interesting read. Advertising and politicking at it's best.

Never mind the millions this lot make from keeping citizens frightened, as long as they make their millions. Just because you are a big, brave boy and are not frightened, doesn't mean a lot of other people are not frightened.

This is the same circular discussion with a theist, one ignores stats and deaths, one ignores the bad bits in the bible - same old, same old.

Do not care what you believe or not believe, just keep your guns over there.

@Gregg - Or grin and keep an eye out, and dodge if necessary :)

Otherwise your choice is to grin and bear it or move to Australia etc. etc.

This is exactly what the funloving christians say, if you don't Love the Lord, leave.

Here is an Aussie I want to hang out with.

Hey Suzanne, you wanna go to the range with us and blast some targets?

Hey Suzanne, you wanna go to the range with us and blast some targets?

Take my advice Suzanne: Aim for the geezer in the middle first. Then pick off the rifles one by one.

@Gallup - You may find this site interesting, I know Unseen and the other bloke won't read it :)

http://www.numbersleuth.org/guns/

@Gallup - You may find this site interesting, I know Unseen and the other bloke won't read it :)

Then it's worth posting here. ;) 

@Galloping Mirror;

"Then it's worth posting here. ;) "

Why? Did you have difficulty clicking the link?  It's the button under your finger, do you suffer from carpal tunnel syndrome?

Should I now post some BIG pro-gun poster as a counter argument to this anti-gun poster?

Or will a link do?

Link

Link

Link

The reason to ban cars

Just a suggestion of course.

All of the above posters have their own set of problems  The first one looks like it shows a lot of cherry picking.

Try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_d...

It's incomplete (as it admits) due to problems with data collection, but if you want to compare countries... 

Also check the links at the bottom.

I agree, I just pick the first one's I saw.

Both sides in this debate aren't having a reasoned conversation and I don't think they will, too much rhetoric and position going on.

The more time an individual studies this subject the less black and white it becomes.

Why? Did you have difficulty clicking the link?  It's the button under your finger, do you suffer from carpal tunnel syndrome?

Suzanne already explained why: "I know Unseen and the other bloke won't read it." So it wasn't a mysterious carpal of my wrist so much as your persistent failure to read (this time recent) history.

Should I now post some BIG pro-gun poster as a counter argument to this anti-gun poster?

That's how the Republicans and the NRA ended federal funding for firearm safety research. Science consistently found firearms to be a hazard to public health and safety. That's not science, said the NRA, that's anti-gun.

Note that the CDC has never been accused of being 'pro-vegetable' or 'anti-saturated fat' or 'anti-lawnmower' based on the results of other scientific research and then muzzled accordingly.

But the NRA can't muzzle science that has private funding. To that the NRA still must say science is not science, but "anti-gun", and then it must trot out the opposite of science: pro-gun.

Pro-gun posters? You might as well be posting links to creationist sites.

But really, Gregg. Why post them anyway? As you've belabored ad nauseam, the Second Amendment is the law and it's not going to change anytime soon. The Democrats are too weak and scared to touch the issue. The NRA is arguably the most powerful lobbying group in the country. Hell, they hold "cold dead hands" rallies while victims families are still wailing after mass shooting incidents. You've already got everything you want.

Stay Armed, Keep Bellyaching

@ The Galluping One;

I'm a member of the NRA, when anyone asks I tell them: "The hat comes with the membership, the crazy stuff is free." :D

I clicked on Suzanne's link and viewed that poster as well as Richard E. Roberson's link above.

Galluping ShinnyGlass links work, we don't need to shove large posters into each other faces on a forum.

We do need reasoned intelligent conversation.

Stay Armed, Stay Free. ;)

Galluping ShinnyGlass links work, we don't need to shove large posters into each other faces on a forum.

Images work too, Gregg. If posted images were somehow out of bounds there wouldn't be an 'embed image' button right beside the 'add link' button. Own it, Gregg. You're crying foul about nothing.

We do need reasoned intelligent conversation.

Splendid. What's more reasonable and intelligent than science? You, as an NRA member who supports this need, should contact the NRA leadership. Tell them to back a full restoration of federal funding for scientific research into firearm safety. Then the research resumes and we'll continue to see the truth of the matter. Not pro-gun. Not anti-gun. The truth of how firearms impact public health and safety at a population level in the United States.

I won't hold my breath while I wait. The NRA doesn't want anyone having that reasoned, intelligent, science-based conversation. An informed public is the last thing they want.

Stay Ignorant, Stay Armed

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