Be sure to vote, I am curious where most atheists stand on this issue.

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I agree, but if everyone defected to begin with, to the side of their own personal intrests and the intrests of those around them, and told both Asad and who evers benafiting from the oposition movement to go screw each other, then a lot of people wouldn't have been hurt or killed to begin with. The same aplies to all leaders, if they want something done they should do it them selves. No disrespect or anything, I agree, sodiers are people too, and they are forced to witness and participate in much that I do not envy.  

"I always wonder about people who feel they need a gun to protect life and limb, in case of a home invasion, for example. If that is the real reason they need a gun, do they also have a home defibrillator? I ask because someone having a heart attack in the home is a far more likely event than a home invasion."

@ Unseen

You wonder? Seriously?

The young woman in Oklahoma who blew the home intruder away when he broke the door in could explain it to you way better than me. She feared for her life and the life of her newborn. The police were on the way but the perp was insistent on breaking and entering despite her warnings. She had even put the couch against the door in an attempt to keep them out. There was two intruders. She was not charged BTW.

A home defib device is actually very wise to have around. Only recently have they become affordable for the average homeowner.

That, and a heart attack in many cases can be blamed on the individual (unhealthy diet, irregular check ups, etc). Sometimes they are just to be expected due to some preexisting condition. I can't think of any cases to where an intruder can be honestly blamed on the residents of a home, nor do I think we should live our lives expecting someone breaking into the place in which we should feel most safe. We can be prepared for it though...just in case. Owning a gun is not dangerous. People that misuse (or sometimes misplace) guns are dangerous. Guns are like can't blame them as they kill no one....people kill, guns do not. People abuse drugs, drugs do not abuse people. Everyone shouldn't suffer due to a few bad apples.

Oh, yeah, and what about the lady who was hit by a meteorite. If it had been much bigger, she'd be sorry she wasn't going down the street in a tank! The fear of home invasion is overblown in relation to the actual statistics. A lot of people who have bought a gun to be prepared for a home invasion would be better off had they put that money toward flood insurance or a set of new tires on their car.

We have a habit of worrying about the wrong things.

Why does it seem to bother you that some citizens of our country, myself included, have opted to own firearms? A gun is a one time purchase, it doesn't go bad or spoil or wear out. AND I would rather have one and not need it than the other way around. I don't fear a home invasion anymore than being fearful of having a head on collision when I'm driving down the highway. 


One time purchase, plus they can be relatively cheap. I agree that the likelihood of ever needing one is slim, but I'd prefer having one just in case.

Unseen, when someone breaks into your home and you survive, you'll change your mind.

I keep seeing people say that "well regulated milita" means either the National Guard or the regular army. Yet, I don't see it that way. Consider that our first document, the Declaration of Independence, said that when a government become abusive it was the right of the citizens to overthrow it.  I think that right there makes it pretty clear the 2nd amendment is an individual right.

If the 2nd amendment is meant only for professional defensive forces, and nobody has guns, how are we to protect ourselves from an abusive government?

As Founding Father and Non-Believer Thomas Jefferson said:

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I guess all those who so very wrongly believe the founders meant the arms were only for the "militia" do not understand the function a COMMA.

OR what the "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." means.


Anyone who has a clue knows:

A, Crimes take seconds to commit and it takes police at least minutes to get to you AFTER they have been informed they are needed.

B. In natural disasters, not only can the Police be OVER WHEMED by calls and not get to you for hours or days, they MAY NOT even be able to get to you.

C. In riots, like the ones we had in LA in around 1966 or 1967, the police and the National Guard were busy trying to not get shot and we had to protect ourselves.

D. Guns are used over a MILLION times a year to PREVENT crimes from happening. And many times the guns are not only never fired, they are not even pointed toward the bad guys.

On seperate occasions, both myself and a former girl friend have stopped crimes by showing the bad guys we
were armed. In her case, they left by climbing out of the window they had used to come into her home. In my case, they decided attempting to force me off the road and out of my car was not a good idea, so they sped away.

So all of you who don't like guns, don't own them!

Only do NOT tell me I can not have them as they only way anyone would get mine is after I am dead. And do not come crying to me for protection when one or more bad gusy are kicking your butt and/or raping your wife, or daughter or girl friend or your mother.

In fact, you should go read the ARMED CITIZEN and Get a Clue! (you can see it on the net)

Is a source actually necessary to believe that? I wonder how many times a year criminals keep themselves in check SIMPLY because the officer confronting them has a gun....

Also, I'd be less likely to break into someone's house if I knew they had a gun. I think most would feel the same way.

Just because most people have no interest in breaking into houses doesn't mean it's uncommon. Of course, some places are worse than others...but still. Having a gun around hurts absolutely nothing.

Again...guns are not responsible for hurting anyone. People are responsible for hurting people...whether it be by gun or other means.


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