The suicide has raised questions of his treatment by state psychiatric authorities.
One of Walker’s friends said that he had been planning to kill himself in a public place for some time: “It was almost like he wanted to prove a point, like there’s no point in being scared of death because it’s going to happen to us anyway.” The friend reportedly told Walker’s parents who had him committed St Charles Medical Centre in Bend. The friend is quoted as saying
“I actually told him, I was like, ‘Dude, this is going to mess a lot of people up.’”
Beyond the tragedy itself, there is a question of the responsibility of state officials and the coffee shop. I believe the shop is not likely to face liability -assuming (as appears to be the case) that they had no reason to expect such an unforeseeable act. It would be hard to establish the basis for a negligent infliction of emotional distress claim as an audience member.
The hospital could be more vulnerable if a reasonable doctor would not have released Walker. However, again, such acts are hard to predict and make generally for a poor basis for legal action.
From a public policy perspective, however, there are increasing complaints over the treatment (and release) of potentially violent individuals. It is a difficult balance for a state. We have moved away from the large-scale institutionalization of the mentally ill.
After the Supreme Court handed down its decision in O’Connor v. Donaldson in 1975, states were ordered that they cannot involuntarily hold a person who is not imminently a danger to himself or others and able to survive on his own. That decision ended abuses across the country and allowed mentally disabled individuals to have functional lives. In any such case, there can be problems particularly if an individual does not receive or take necessary medication.
Source: Daily Mail
I copy-pasted the report as it is to avoid missing a certain point between the lines, or having to edit or re-write it all over again, but mainly, I wanted to focus on the incident, and the act of suicide, rather than who's to blame, or which direction to point fingers at.
So, I wanted to know your prospective of it all. What do you think of suicide? and of people who commit it? Do you consider contemplating suicide psychotic? And just what are your thoughts on this particular story?
I don't consider people who contemplate or even commit suicide psychotic. In fact, I think, maybe, they know too much... or just that they haven't found what keeps any of us from taking his/her own life, perhaps, a goal, a companion, or even a bunch of them.
I find the attitude people take towards suicide is similar to that of a believer to a non-believer, in a sense, that they think should be saved in the manner they see fit, which I find both very demeaning, and judgemental. Making up fairy-tales as a purpose to keep you from killing yourself is not very sane either.
It is unlawful in the State of Texas to have a green burial and the body farms are not accepting anyone. Being old and in failing health, I have decided upon an inexpensive, rational solution. For 350 bucks one can hop on a Caribbean cruise, get 3 days of good dining, perhaps an affaire-de-amour with a lonely widow woman and, going off the fantail on the return, get a free burial at sea. A note to the Captain, apologizing for any inconvenience would be in order.
After the Supreme Court handed down its decision in O’Connor v. Donaldson in 1975, states were ordered that they cannot involuntarily hold a person who is not imminently a danger to himself or others and able to survive on his own. That decision ended abuses across the country and allowed mentally disabled individuals to have functional lives.
It's also one reason for all of the homeless people sleeping under bridges and begging on city streets.
Now he is a civil servant. Says so in the handbook
Doing that in front of a crowd of complete strangers with the possibility of causing one or more of them emotional harm was the act of an asshole.Subjecting those unwitting people to an act of life ending violence is in my opinion an assault. .... But what he subjected his unwilling audience to was the final act of a douche bag.
Oh get real. Day in and day out people willingly and gluttonously pay Hollywood a shit ton of money to watch goreporn movies like Saw, and see the most realistic and gruesome deaths that technology can provide, in 3D no less. THEY APPLAUDED THIS GUYS DEATH. Reread that and let it sink in. They enjoyed the thought - and the SIGHT - of someone stabbing themselves repeatedly. But when the idiots finally realized that it's real and their wishes actually turned into reality, all of a sudden it's assault? What's that if not hypocrisy. I guarantee you that if you would legalize murder on stage every theater in the nation would sell out, and people would come with tissues to jerk off to it. And not just the fat creepy type you'd expect, I mean everybody.
People aren't the easily-scared, innocent, pure, kindhearted beings you mistake them for. Society is a cruel meat grinder. Drop the sap-cannon.
I must confess I am a little confused by the responses from the younger generation.
I respect your view, because I liked the rest of your post, but what's up with this? What do the responses have to do with age? Or was that just a heavy-handed attempt to imply that old age somehow equals to more wisdom? See the fact of the matter is that some of us don't enjoy life, and some us respect that. This guy wanted to leave with a show, humor him. He died in applause, that's admirable. It's better than rotting in a cubicle 5 days a week for 40 years and then dying in some shithole apartment or hospital.
Life just is not for everybody, some don't enjoy the show and we have the right to walk out of that show if we think it blows.
Yes it's sad when really young kids kill themselves because they didn't really give life a chance, but then again what do young people have to contrast their feelings against? Nothing. When you're that young, and naive, and have always been sad there is no "better times" or anything you can remember and look forward to again. You think it's all there is.
And it's like you said, society should help, but they don't. On the contrary, society is what drives people into suicide. And if you want to show people that it was their fault on the way out, be my fucking guest.
It's disingenuous to drive these people into suicide, however passively, and then claim sadness for their deaths. Frankly it would even be more appropriate to stand on their corpses and yell "We did it! Another one down."
@ korsan - I sincerely hope you are not oblivious to what your replies reveal about yourself.
And you will have to forgive me for not responding to you ever again.
I really dont want anything to do with you.
And you will have to forgive me for not responding to you ever again.
Yeah I'll forgive you for using my tone as an excuse to sidestep the points I've made. I'm used to that.
I sincerely hope you are not oblivious to what your lack of replies reveal about yourself. It's easy to sling an appeal to emotion around but hard to back it up when you're called out for it.
Here's the summary in case you missed it.
1. People love watching violence and death. Fact.
2. Someone provides exactly what they want.
3. They applaud.
4. You claim assault.
6. Something doesn't add up.
They may not have appreciated the idea of a man stabbing himself to death in itself, yet still admired it as an artistic statement, valued it as a symbolic gesture, valued that it provoked a powerful emotional response in them
Right, look, people didn't cheer because it provoked anything other than an erection maybe. People don't watch torture movies for the art either. I'm with you on the sheep thing though.
I actually like this post a lot. In summary. Humans are dark dark creatures who enjoy hollywood death, torture, mutilation, cannibalism, on and on and on...They applaud and cheer an act of suicide they believe is fake. Only once they realize it's real are they scarred for life?
I'm with you on this. Get real. Drop the sap-cannon. Society is a cruel meat grinder. It was in the days of the coliseum and it is now.
:0 The suicide has raised questions of his treatment by state psychiatric authorities.
Suicide is man's way of telling God "You can't fire me! I quit!" - George Carlan
Great quote, but it's Carlin not Carlan.
Sounds like another zombie hit to the prefrontals!
Fresh brains to ponder this fellow's point?
Atleast he did not offer up a tasty morsal of 'Supervisor in Fava Beans'....lucky us....is it ok to scream in revulsion now?