The suicide has raised questions of his treatment by state psychiatric authorities.
One of Walker’s friends said that he had been planning to kill himself in a public place for some time: “It was almost like he wanted to prove a point, like there’s no point in being scared of death because it’s going to happen to us anyway.” The friend reportedly told Walker’s parents who had him committed St Charles Medical Centre in Bend. The friend is quoted as saying
“I actually told him, I was like, ‘Dude, this is going to mess a lot of people up.’”
Beyond the tragedy itself, there is a question of the responsibility of state officials and the coffee shop. I believe the shop is not likely to face liability -assuming (as appears to be the case) that they had no reason to expect such an unforeseeable act. It would be hard to establish the basis for a negligent infliction of emotional distress claim as an audience member.
The hospital could be more vulnerable if a reasonable doctor would not have released Walker. However, again, such acts are hard to predict and make generally for a poor basis for legal action.
From a public policy perspective, however, there are increasing complaints over the treatment (and release) of potentially violent individuals. It is a difficult balance for a state. We have moved away from the large-scale institutionalization of the mentally ill.
After the Supreme Court handed down its decision in O’Connor v. Donaldson in 1975, states were ordered that they cannot involuntarily hold a person who is not imminently a danger to himself or others and able to survive on his own. That decision ended abuses across the country and allowed mentally disabled individuals to have functional lives. In any such case, there can be problems particularly if an individual does not receive or take necessary medication.
Source: Daily Mail
I copy-pasted the report as it is to avoid missing a certain point between the lines, or having to edit or re-write it all over again, but mainly, I wanted to focus on the incident, and the act of suicide, rather than who's to blame, or which direction to point fingers at.
So, I wanted to know your prospective of it all. What do you think of suicide? and of people who commit it? Do you consider contemplating suicide psychotic? And just what are your thoughts on this particular story?
I don't consider people who contemplate or even commit suicide psychotic. In fact, I think, maybe, they know too much... or just that they haven't found what keeps any of us from taking his/her own life, perhaps, a goal, a companion, or even a bunch of them.
I find the attitude people take towards suicide is similar to that of a believer to a non-believer, in a sense, that they think should be saved in the manner they see fit, which I find both very demeaning, and judgemental. Making up fairy-tales as a purpose to keep you from killing yourself is not very sane either.
P.S: if you had to.., just had to throw in the very unoriginal "it's the utmost selfish act anyone could do in their life time, leaving their dependants behind, and many who cared about them traumatized", at least do it in a subtle new way that I don't recognize it right away.
I had originally posted this titled "Suicidal Thoughts, thinking it would rise enough eye brows, but then I realised the mysterious ways advertisement works in springing up most attention.
That was more than I thought anyone had to say on this subject, so, I'd like to think you for the time and effort it took you to reply. As I do agree with you on most every point you made, I think the reason euthanasia isn't legalized yet is the irrational fear of morbidity or "playing god" as they call it.
And just as minors cannot legally give consent, or purchase substances, I would say it's pretty reasonable to at least not leave them be on their own when they're facing tough times, as they would need far more assistance handling their issues that goes beyond their realm, I just think we ought to be more rational about it, instead of edging them onto false promises of a brighter future, I would say for some, there are life long scars, that they might not want to go on living with.
On parent obligation, I take some issue with, because not all parents choose a life of parenthood, many of whom, I take it, were suddenly faced with, and even those who chose it, might not have explored all of their options, or expected it to be the way it came out to be. Besides, it's not such a black-and-white dilemma, as nothing is, for some children of abusive parents, suicide may be considered a relief. There's a lot to discuss there, but if I chose to be a parent, I would definitely think it over and over again, if I could go at least manage until their mature, and could take care of themselves, it may not be as bleak then even.
I like how you take on some level of objectivity towards your friend committing suicide, and I definitely have the same thoughts on selfishness being projected by those whom milk everything out of somebody, until they haven't got more to give, and when they opt out and choose to end it, they blame him/her for not giving them more, and it's just seems to me that they're casting stones of their own evil, in such a classic self-projection kind of way.
Certainly, I believe we should do our best to help people who are seriously contemplating suicide...
One more reason not to ban guns. Unless you meant we should be trying to stop them.
More seriously, each of us owns ourselves. If you don't even have the right to your life, what greater right can the government take away? I can see trying to prevent a murder, but not a suicide. To do so is to violate the other person's ownership of himself.
I know, I know... poetic, was my initial thought. The scene where a small audience are all clapping to his death is imprinted in my head, just as if I were one of them. Beside the fact that the crowd had some sort of a trauma, and I read in another post, that they were also offered psychological therapy, I would say: if that's not the way to go, I don't know what is. But then again, I can't possibly imagine stabbing myself in the heart, then pulling it back out and stab myself again to begin with, but if I had gone and done it the first time, I'd better finished the job.
I have come to the conclusion that, with all Abrahamic religions, the only reason they condemn suicide is because it declines their numbers, but when it suits their purposes, like when they ask you to go on and die in a holy-war or a do a terrorist attack, it's only a courageous and honorable act.
Because if I truly believed in a heaven, I wouldn't settle for a miserable life, in comparison, here on earth. I would take my own life in attestation of my own convictions, but of course...that doesn't help the actual case of religion, which could be narrowed down to:
2)growing imperialism(which is just more of the first one, really).
That's pretty badass. Those people certainly got their money's worth.
Of course if he'd stabbed a baby multiple times he'd have got a standing ovation.
Seriously, there are worse ways of wasting your life than suicide. Spending it playing video games, building a big wheelse pickup truck, or working a phone in a call center, for example.
This is a very impressive suicide. I'm pro-choice when it comes to suicide, and I'm fairly sure it's the way I'll go out, albeit eventually. It seems logical. But I haven't exactly figured out how yet. I assume a gun, but that of course requires that I first own a gun.
At any rate, "making up fairy-tales as a purpose to keep yourself from killing yourself" is life. That's what "It is what you make it" means. So the purpose is in the making. At the very least, it's debatable, making it a foolish action without a good reason.
"The first thing I thought about was 'Damn , this guy really went out with style!'" -Dustin
I must confess I am a little confused by the responses from the younger generation. I don't view taking one's life in the prime of their existence involves style or flamboyance. From an elder perspective the loss of an individual at such a young age to suicide is only a travesty. While the person has a right to make this gravest of decisions it is hard to justify the action. I believe everyone has at some point in time contemplated suicide but thankfully most realize there is "a light at the end of that tunnel." I have had friends choose this path in life and I have always had much difficulty coming to terms with their decision. As a friend and fellow human being I believe we have a responsibility to help others in time of mental anguish. If someone is old and infirm or dealing with a terminal illness or severe handicap then the decision is more justifiable. But in this case of an otherwise healthy young life society should feel compelled to make them feel loved and wanted. Have we become so callous and desensitized that the loss of a fellow human in their prime is perfectly acceptable in today's society? I hope not.
I'm not so sure that it has to do with my generation. One clear example of poetic suicide is Romeo and Juliet. That story is heartbreaking but also massively beautiful in a dark sort of way...the first time I saw a video of the scene my heart was stopping. He fakes death, she kills herself...he wakes up to find her dead and kills himself.
Jumping off a bridge is not poetic, nor is falling off a large building. Or shooting yourself in the brain with a pistol you have at home.
But stabbing yourself to death in front of an audience when they think it's an act, but it's not...I find a tad bit of a feeling that I can't quite describe...but it's not a negative feeling.
My level of empathy is also extremely low. I don't really care much about adults, I'm usually the boohoo cry me a river sort of guy...but my heart will break into a million pieces if I see a mother hit her child in a store or hear a story of a mother drowning her son/daughter. Or hear a story of a father who abandons his son because he is gay...these strike me as heartbreaking because the children are just so pure and innocent and there is no reason for it.
A young adult who wants to commit suicide in such a way I find poetic. Of course in a perfect world, he should have been loved more. He could have gotten help. But such is life. Who's to say living is preferred over death?
Suicide is definitely not the answer to a short term problem. Mental illness on the other hand can be a lifelong affliction.
Suicide should be a legal and acceptable option for the terminally ill and those who have lived long enough and have decided it is time to lay it down.
What this guy did was incredibly shitty. Doing that in front of a crowd of complete strangers with the possibility of causing one or more of them emotional harm was the act of an asshole. They got off lucky he did not physically harm them on his way out.
Subjecting those unwitting people to an act of life ending violence is in my opinion an assault.
I dont applaud him nor judge him for committing suicide. But what he subjected his unwilling audience to was the final act of a douche bag.
He could have just as easily done it alone and brought no harm to anyone else.
And I agree with you about some of the responses.
But they are not really that surprising.